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support of W3C WCAG

julien-29
Hello,

In the FAQ, point 3.23, You explain that "Orbeon Forms requires Javascript and
Ajax for its XForms pages to be functional".
Does the new version (3.6) requires too javascript and Ajax ?
Because my pages must be accessible, and when I disabled javascript I can't use
my forms. (develop with orbeon 3.5.1).

Maybe in the future ?

thank you.


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Hi,

http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/home-faq#xforms-javascript

So it is possible, if you do the necessary work :)!



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Hello,

In the FAQ, point 3.23, You explain that "Orbeon Forms requires Javascript and
Ajax for its XForms pages to be functional".
Does the new version (3.6) requires too javascript and Ajax ? 
Because my pages must be accessible, and when I disabled javascript I can't use
my forms. (develop with orbeon 3.5.1).

Maybe in the future ?

thank you.


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If I have understood, It did not implemented yet.
And what do I have to do to use this function ?


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Erik Bruchez
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Julien,

Did you actually read the suggested FAQ entry:

   http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/home-faq#xforms-javascript

This means that you do *need* JavaScript to use XForms in the current  
version of Orbeon Forms, and that includes the upcoming version 3.6.  
But that *in theory*, JavaScript-less client support could be  
implemented. See in particular this FA entry for how new features are  
added to Orbeon Forms:

   http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/home-faq#issue-fixing

-Erik

On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:01 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> If I have understood, It did not implemented yet.
> And what do I have to do to use this function ?

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Thank you for your response.
I have an another question : Each <xforms:input> generate by orbeon have a lot
of <label>. And It's not support WCAG : an input must have one <label>.

Is this label mandatory for orbeon ?

example :
my xforms:input :
<xforms:input ref="/form/FormCommunOrbeon/DemandeTiers/msLib" id="Sigle"
class="INPUT" xxforms:size="30" xxforms:maxlength="30"/>

the result :
<input id="input-Sigle" type="text" name="Sigle" value="LAURENT"
class="xforms-input-input xforms-type-string" size="30" maxlength="30">
<label class="xforms-alert xforms-alert-inactive" for="Sigle"></label>

with a lot of <span>.
When I tested, I have notice that this <label> is used to show ot not the
<alert>. But even if I not describe an alert for the input, a <label
class="xforms-alert xforms-alert-inactive"/> is generate.
Is it possible to disabled this label's generation ?

thank you.


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Hello Erik,
 
I saw on the web, that you speak very well French.
Because I'm french, I talk you in french. It's easier for me.
 
Ok. Nous sommes trés intéressés par le développement d'une solution permettant d'utiliser orbeon xforms sans les javascripts afin d'être conforme à la charte d'accessibilité.
Seulement, nous ne savons pas du tout par où commencer.
Notre but est de développer une solution qui prendrait la main quand les javascript sont désactivés. Mais nous ne savons pas ce que l'on peut réutiliser. Par exemple, nous avons trouvé la définition d'une servlet Struts configurée pour utiliser un plugin de validation avec les fichiers validator-rules.xml par exemple.
Comme nous ne connaissons pas assez la stucture interne d'orbéon, nous aimerions avoir des pistes pour pouvoir développer une solution qui permettrait au minimum de valoriser l'instance XML avec la saisie des champs, et de naviguer parmi les pages du formulaire.
Nous sommes bien entendu disposés à diffuser tout notre développement concernant ce point.
Nous sommes également prêt à discuter d'une contribution financière de notre part au projet orbéon, si vous avez des solutions déjà prètes ou en cours de développement.
Par contre nous avons des échéances trés courtes à ce sujet, et c'est pourquoi nous ne pouvons pas nous permettre de développer une solution compléte d'utilisation des xforms sans javascript.
merci.
 
 


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So you are saying that one input must have exactly one label as per  
WCAG?

You are right, Orbeon Forms does produce several labels per form  
control. There is one for the actual label, which sounds right, but  
also labels for help, hint, and alert. This may not be a good idea,  
although it has not caused problems in the past, and HTML 4.01 says  
this explicitly:

"More than one LABEL may be associated with the same control by  
creating multiple references via the for attribute."

At the moment, labels output in native Java code, and the client  
JavaScript code may or may not depend on this. The right fix, assuming  
this needs to be changed, probably consists in changing the Java and  
JavaScript code.

-Erik

On Nov 22, 2007, at 1:19 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Thank you for your response.
> I have an another question : Each <xforms:input> generate by orbeon  
> have a lot
> of <label>. And It's not support WCAG : an input must have one  
> <label>.
>
> Is this label mandatory for orbeon ?
>
> example :
> my xforms:input :
> <xforms:input ref="/form/FormCommunOrbeon/DemandeTiers/msLib"  
> id="Sigle"
> class="INPUT" xxforms:size="30" xxforms:maxlength="30"/>
>
> the result :
> <input id="input-Sigle" type="text" name="Sigle" value="LAURENT"
> class="xforms-input-input xforms-type-string" size="30"  
> maxlength="30">
> <label class="xforms-alert xforms-alert-inactive" for="Sigle"></label>
>
> with a lot of <span>.
> When I tested, I have notice that this <label> is used to show ot  
> not the
> <alert>. But even if I not describe an alert for the input, a <label
> class="xforms-alert xforms-alert-inactive"/> is generate.
> Is it possible to disabled this label's generation ?
>
> thank you.
>
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