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ilango_g

how are xforms rendered as html in browser

Hi
The documentation on the Orbeon Site mentions the following:

"A server-side implementation of XForms translates your forms described in terms of the XForms specification into HTML, CSS and JavaScript code understood by your web browser. "

"The XForms engine translates your XForms pages to HTML, CSS and JavaScript that your browser understands."

Now does this mean that I can pull up a HTML version of my XForm in a browser? So far I have been testing in the sandbox or by making a separate war and deploying in Tomcat and Geronimo. I don't think I have seen a HTML page.

Maybe this is not an intelligent question or it is just that I do not understand fully how Orbeon Forms can be used to full advantage, but could someone explain what I may be missing.

Would I be able to see an HTML or XHTML interface on the browser? If so, how?

Colin Berry

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser

There are two points where one can read xhtml. To see the html as your browser sees it use the view tab on your browser. What you will uncover is unintelligible to humans as it is the downstream effluvium of a very complex process. No worries though because it seems quite palatable to browsers of all persuasions. At the headwaters of the process is a file called view.xhtml. (Ok, sometimes it is called view.xsl, but only because on those occasions it has a little tiny bit of xslt in the mix. It still is basically a human readable html file.) By convention each application is a subdirectory of apps/. So in a standard install TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/orbeon/WEB-INF/resources/apps/xforms-hello/view.xhtml can be opened with your favorite editor to see the source for the product displayed when your browser is pointed to http://localhost:8080/orbeon/xforms-hello/.

Let me know if this answers your question.

Erik Bruchez

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser

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In reply to this post by ilango_g

On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:02 AM, XGuy wrote:

> The documentation on the Orbeon Site mentions the following:
>
> "A server-side implementation of XForms translates your forms
> described in
> terms of the XForms specification into HTML, CSS and JavaScript code
> understood by your web browser. "
>
> "The XForms engine translates your XForms pages to HTML, CSS and
> JavaScript
> that your browser understands."
>
> Now does this mean that I can pull up a HTML version of my XForm in a
> browser? So far I have been testing in the sandbox or by making a
> separate
> war and deploying in Tomcat and Geronimo. I don't think I have seen
> a HTML
> page.

I am not sure what you mean by "pull up"? Could you please precise
this terminology? Or what you would like to achieve?

With Orbeon Forms, what your web browser displays is always HTML + CSS
+ JavaScript. That's because that's pretty much all your web browser
is able to understand (if one except things like Flash, Java applets,
or other plugins, which Orbeon Forms doesn't use at all).

When you use the XForms Sandbox, you send Orbeon Forms a document or
page containing XHTML and XForms. What the sandbox returns to your
browser is HTML + CSS + JavaScript.

> Would I be able to see an HTML or XHTML interface on the browser? If
> so,
> how?

What you see in your web browser is rendered HTML + CSS, possibly
scripted with JavaScript. So in that sense, what you see with Orbeon
Forms is always HTML or XHTML.

Now if you are asking how to see the *source* HTML, that is the HTML
as your web browser sees it before rendering it, just use your web
browser's "View Source" functionality.

-Erik

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ilango_g

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser

In reply to this post by Colin Berry

Yes, it answers my question.

Colin Berry wrote

There are two points where one can read xhtml. To see the html as your browser sees it use the view tab on your browser. What you will uncover is unintelligible to humans as it is the downstream effluvium of a very complex process. No worries though because it seems quite palatable to browsers of all persuasions. At the headwaters of the process is a file called view.xhtml. (Ok, sometimes it is called view.xsl, but only because on those occasions it has a little tiny bit of xslt in the mix. It still is basically a human readable html file.) By convention each application is a subdirectory of apps/. So in a standard install TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/orbeon/WEB-INF/resources/apps/xforms-hello/view.xhtml can be opened with your favorite editor to see the source for the product displayed when your browser is pointed to http://localhost:8080/orbeon/xforms-hello/.

Let me know if this answers your question.

ilango_g

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser - * what I would like to achieve*

In reply to this post by Erik Bruchez

In regards to what I would like to achieve, let me clarify further, after some thought.
I need to build a demonstration environment for my XForms that will showcase Orbeon XForms (that I have developed) on the web for two audiences -1) my professor in California 2) my brother in Singapore.

I do not want to be tied to a development environment in Eclipse or my localhost Tomcat Orbeon Web App or the Orbeon Sandbox just to pull up an XForm and show them how it works.

For such a demo setup, I can come up with keywords like Struts, Tomcat, Apache WebServer and a JSP or html frontend. I would like to have some links on this opening page that has the user opening up my XForm and then test it.

Any suggestion or tips to get me going would be fine. I just want to know from your experience what a demo environment can be like.

Erik Bruchez wrote

On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:02 AM, XGuy wrote:

> The documentation on the Orbeon Site mentions the following:
>
> "A server-side implementation of XForms translates your forms
> described in
> terms of the XForms specification into HTML, CSS and JavaScript code
> understood by your web browser. "
>
> "The XForms engine translates your XForms pages to HTML, CSS and
> JavaScript
> that your browser understands."
>
> Now does this mean that I can pull up a HTML version of my XForm in a
> browser? So far I have been testing in the sandbox or by making a
> separate
> war and deploying in Tomcat and Geronimo. I don't think I have seen
> a HTML
> page.

I am not sure what you mean by "pull up"? Could you please precise
this terminology? Or what you would like to achieve?

With Orbeon Forms, what your web browser displays is always HTML + CSS
+ JavaScript. That's because that's pretty much all your web browser
is able to understand (if one except things like Flash, Java applets,
or other plugins, which Orbeon Forms doesn't use at all).

When you use the XForms Sandbox, you send Orbeon Forms a document or
page containing XHTML and XForms. What the sandbox returns to your
browser is HTML + CSS + JavaScript.

> Would I be able to see an HTML or XHTML interface on the browser? If
> so,
> how?

What you see in your web browser is rendered HTML + CSS, possibly
scripted with JavaScript. So in that sense, what you see with Orbeon
Forms is always HTML or XHTML.

Now if you are asking how to see the *source* HTML, that is the HTML
as your web browser sees it before rendering it, just use your web
browser's "View Source" functionality.

-Erik

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Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
http://www.orbeon.com/

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Colin Berry

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser - * what I would like to achieve*

Try this: Do a default install of orbeon3.6 to a server accessible to
both members of your audience. Create your own apps by mimicking
x-forms-hello or some of the other apps. For example

cd TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/orbeon/WEB-INF/resources/apps/
mkdir my-hello
cp xforms-hello/* my-hello/

Spruce up apps/welcome/view.xhtml to personalize the welcome for your
audience.

Open WEB-INF/resources/apps-list.xml with your favorite xml editor (mine
is oXygen).
Add your own section element and some application children.

Don't forget to include a widget:xforms-instance-inspector in all of
your pages until they are stable. Then comment it out.

Now when your brother points his browser to
http://www.why-mom-likes-me-best.com:8080/orbeon/ he will see a welcome
page with both links to your apps and all the orbeon stuff. There will
also be a little bit of explanation from you. When he opens the links
you added to apps-list.xml he will be able to review their source code
with the orbeon provided widgets just like you can with the orbeon
examples. If he wants to try a few things or read up, the sandboxes and
documentation will be right there for him.

Let me know how it goes.

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Erik Bruchez

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser - * what I would like to achieve*

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In reply to this post by ilango_g

In other words, what you need is a publicly visible server with Orbeon
Forms installed on it.

You may be able to install this on a home computer accessible through
your DSL or cable internet access, provided you have a fixed IP
address. Something like this would be quite sufficient for a demo.

-Erik

On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:03 PM, XGuy wrote:

>
> In regards to what I would like to achieve, let me clarify further,
> after
> some thought.
> I need to build a demonstration environment for my XForms that will
> showcase
> Orbeon XForms (that I have developed) on the web for two audiences
> -1) my
> professor in California 2) my brother in Singapore.
>
> I do not want to be tied to a development environment in Eclipse or my
> localhost Tomcat Orbeon Web App or the Orbeon Sandbox just to pull
> up an
> XForm and show them how it works.
>
> For such a demo setup, I can come up with keywords like Struts,
> Tomcat,
> Apache WebServer and a JSP or html frontend. I would like to have
> some links
> on this opening page that has the user opening up my XForm and then
> test it.
>
> Any suggestion or tips to get me going would be fine. I just want to
> know
> from your experience what a demo environment can be like.
>
>
>
> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:02 AM, XGuy wrote:
>>
>>> The documentation on the Orbeon Site mentions the following:
>>>
>>> "A server-side implementation of XForms translates your forms
>>> described in
>>> terms of the XForms specification into HTML, CSS and JavaScript code
>>> understood by your web browser. "
>>>
>>> "The XForms engine translates your XForms pages to HTML, CSS and
>>> JavaScript
>>> that your browser understands."
>>>
>>> Now does this mean that I can pull up a HTML version of my XForm
>>> in a
>>> browser? So far I have been testing in the sandbox or by making a
>>> separate
>>> war and deploying in Tomcat and Geronimo. I don't think I have seen
>>> a HTML
>>> page.
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "pull up"? Could you please precise
>> this terminology? Or what you would like to achieve?
>>
>> With Orbeon Forms, what your web browser displays is always HTML +
>> CSS
>> + JavaScript. That's because that's pretty much all your web browser
>> is able to understand (if one except things like Flash, Java applets,
>> or other plugins, which Orbeon Forms doesn't use at all).
>>
>> When you use the XForms Sandbox, you send Orbeon Forms a document or
>> page containing XHTML and XForms. What the sandbox returns to your
>> browser is HTML + CSS + JavaScript.
>>
>>> Would I be able to see an HTML or XHTML interface on the browser? If
>>> so,
>>> how?
>>
>> What you see in your web browser is rendered HTML + CSS, possibly
>> scripted with JavaScript. So in that sense, what you see with Orbeon
>> Forms is always HTML or XHTML.
>>
>> Now if you are asking how to see the *source* HTML, that is the HTML
>> as your web browser sees it before rendering it, just use your web
>> browser's "View Source" functionality.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> --
>> Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>> http://www.orbeon.com/
>>
>>
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ilango_g

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser - * what I would like to achieve*

In reply to this post by Colin Berry

The instructions are great. I will try them and let you know how it goes.

Colin Berry wrote

Try this: Do a default install of orbeon3.6 to a server accessible to
both members of your audience. Create your own apps by mimicking
x-forms-hello or some of the other apps. For example

cd TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/orbeon/WEB-INF/resources/apps/
mkdir my-hello
cp xforms-hello/* my-hello/

Spruce up apps/welcome/view.xhtml to personalize the welcome for your
audience.

Open WEB-INF/resources/apps-list.xml with your favorite xml editor (mine
is oXygen).
Add your own section element and some application children.

Don't forget to include a widget:xforms-instance-inspector in all of
your pages until they are stable. Then comment it out.

Now when your brother points his browser to
http://www.why-mom-likes-me-best.com:8080/orbeon/ he will see a welcome
page with both links to your apps and all the orbeon stuff. There will
also be a little bit of explanation from you. When he opens the links
you added to apps-list.xml he will be able to review their source code
with the orbeon provided widgets just like you can with the orbeon
examples. If he wants to try a few things or read up, the sandboxes and
documentation will be right there for him.

Let me know how it goes.

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ilango_g

Re: how are xforms rendered as html in browser - * what I would like to achieve*

In reply to this post by Erik Bruchez

You are right. This is just what I might need.

Erik Bruchez wrote

In other words, what you need is a publicly visible server with Orbeon
Forms installed on it.

You may be able to install this on a home computer accessible through
your DSL or cable internet access, provided you have a fixed IP
address. Something like this would be quite sufficient for a demo.

-Erik

On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:03 PM, XGuy wrote:

>
> In regards to what I would like to achieve, let me clarify further,
> after
> some thought.
> I need to build a demonstration environment for my XForms that will
> showcase
> Orbeon XForms (that I have developed) on the web for two audiences
> -1) my
> professor in California 2) my brother in Singapore.
>
> I do not want to be tied to a development environment in Eclipse or my
> localhost Tomcat Orbeon Web App or the Orbeon Sandbox just to pull
> up an
> XForm and show them how it works.
>
> For such a demo setup, I can come up with keywords like Struts,
> Tomcat,
> Apache WebServer and a JSP or html frontend. I would like to have
> some links
> on this opening page that has the user opening up my XForm and then
> test it.
>
> Any suggestion or tips to get me going would be fine. I just want to
> know
> from your experience what a demo environment can be like.
>
>
>
> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:02 AM, XGuy wrote:
>>
>>> The documentation on the Orbeon Site mentions the following:
>>>
>>> "A server-side implementation of XForms translates your forms
>>> described in
>>> terms of the XForms specification into HTML, CSS and JavaScript code
>>> understood by your web browser. "
>>>
>>> "The XForms engine translates your XForms pages to HTML, CSS and
>>> JavaScript
>>> that your browser understands."
>>>
>>> Now does this mean that I can pull up a HTML version of my XForm
>>> in a
>>> browser? So far I have been testing in the sandbox or by making a
>>> separate
>>> war and deploying in Tomcat and Geronimo. I don't think I have seen
>>> a HTML
>>> page.
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "pull up"? Could you please precise
>> this terminology? Or what you would like to achieve?
>>
>> With Orbeon Forms, what your web browser displays is always HTML +
>> CSS
>> + JavaScript. That's because that's pretty much all your web browser
>> is able to understand (if one except things like Flash, Java applets,
>> or other plugins, which Orbeon Forms doesn't use at all).
>>
>> When you use the XForms Sandbox, you send Orbeon Forms a document or
>> page containing XHTML and XForms. What the sandbox returns to your
>> browser is HTML + CSS + JavaScript.
>>
>>> Would I be able to see an HTML or XHTML interface on the browser? If
>>> so,
>>> how?
>>
>> What you see in your web browser is rendered HTML + CSS, possibly
>> scripted with JavaScript. So in that sense, what you see with Orbeon
>> Forms is always HTML or XHTML.
>>
>> Now if you are asking how to see the *source* HTML, that is the HTML
>> as your web browser sees it before rendering it, just use your web
>> browser's "View Source" functionality.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> --
>> Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>> http://www.orbeon.com/
>>
>>
>>
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