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Peter Teichert

Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

Hello OPS users,
I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of cooking recipes.
I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice beforehand :

1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to german language
3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for validation in every xml file
4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather have one xml file per recipe
How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

Thanks for answers

Peter

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fl.schmitt(ops-users)

Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

Peter,

i'm not sure about xml 1.1, but i think this should work, too.

> 2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to
> german language

do you want to let the user select between different languages regarding the
field labels, for example? The "Government Forms" example [1] shows how this can
be achieved. It holds the strings used for the labels in an additional "resource
instance", so if the user changes the language, the appropriate resource
instance file is loaded. The control labels are updated automatically when the
resource instance changes.

You have the possibility to view the html source of the different files online
using the button "view source code" in the center of the title bar, or by
downloading the orbeon.war file that contains all the examples.

> 3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for
> validation in every xml file

i think that this is possible - but IMHO you could also store the schema
separately to minimize redundancy.

> 4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather
> have one xml file per recipe

Personally, i would prefer to use multiple small files. Usually, the user will
read / edit only one single file, so there' s no need to load all of them.
Minimizing the size of the xforms instances is a method to increase performance
[2], so working with small files would be preferable.

> How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

You have the full power of XPath at your hands to retrieve the xml files. This
is a very flexible way to access the data. So the better question is how do you
want to access the data. You could use any of the data content, and you can add
a special unique id to access the single files (but this isn't mandatory - take
a look at the bookcast example [3, 4] - it has no unique id, and all the data is
stored in a single file). I think it is really useful to follow the bookcast
tutorial and to play around with the examples shown there.

hth
florian

[1] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/forms/
[2] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/integration-tuning#your-app-size-xml
[3] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/xforms-bookcast/
[4] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/intro-tutorial#bookcast-application

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Peter Teichert

Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

Hello Florian,
thanks for your quick answer.
I am already playing with the bookcast example.

regards
Peter

2008/10/12 Florian Schmitt <[hidden email]>

Peter,

i'm not sure about xml 1.1, but i think this should work, too.

> 2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to
> german language

do you want to let the user select between different languages regarding the
field labels, for example? The "Government Forms" example [1] shows how this can
be achieved. It holds the strings used for the labels in an additional "resource
instance", so if the user changes the language, the appropriate resource
instance file is loaded. The control labels are updated automatically when the
resource instance changes.

You have the possibility to view the html source of the different files online
using the button "view source code" in the center of the title bar, or by
downloading the orbeon.war file that contains all the examples.

> 3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for
> validation in every xml file

i think that this is possible - but IMHO you could also store the schema
separately to minimize redundancy.

> 4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather
> have one xml file per recipe

Personally, i would prefer to use multiple small files. Usually, the user will
read / edit only one single file, so there' s no need to load all of them.
Minimizing the size of the xforms instances is a method to increase performance
[2], so working with small files would be preferable.

> How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

You have the full power of XPath at your hands to retrieve the xml files. This
is a very flexible way to access the data. So the better question is how do you
want to access the data. You could use any of the data content, and you can add
a special unique id to access the single files (but this isn't mandatory - take
a look at the bookcast example [3, 4] - it has no unique id, and all the data is
stored in a single file). I think it is really useful to follow the bookcast
tutorial and to play around with the examples shown there.

hth
florian

[1] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/forms/
[2] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/integration-tuning#your-app-size-xml
[3] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/xforms-bookcast/
[4] http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/intro-tutorial#bookcast-application

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Erik Bruchez

Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do
you have an actual strong need for this?

You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know
your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large
"file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a
difference for eXist.

The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-end
talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would use
an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.

Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form
Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.

-Erik

On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:

> Hello OPS users,
> I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of
> cooking recipes.
> I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice
> beforehand :
>
> 1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
> 2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english
> to german language
> 3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for
> validation in every xml file
> 4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather
> have one xml file per recipe
> How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS
>
> Thanks for answers
>
> Peter
>
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Peter Teichert

Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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Hello Florian,

while playing with the bookcast example several things do not happen when i insert my xml instance and bind the data. Excuse me for such newbie questions but I am testing already a while without success.

1. I created a new folder ...orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps\ecooker
2. The bookcast example works in the new dir
3. I changed the view.html as follows:
- changing xforms:model
- bind

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
      xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
      xmlns:xforms="http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms"
      xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
      xmlns:ev="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml-events"
      xmlns:xxforms="http://orbeon.org/oxf/xml/xforms">
    <head>
        <title>XForms eCooker</title>

<xforms:model>
<xforms:instance id="recipe-instance">
    <ee26 xmlns="http://www.ecooker.net/v0.3"
          xmlns:ec="http://www.ecooker.net/v0.3"
          xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
          xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
          xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.ecooker.net/uni/v0.3 file:///C:/Home/teichert/cookbook/schema/uni/v0.3/ecooker_v0.3.xsd"
          ea6="v0.3">
      <ee55>
        <ee41 ea6="v0.3">
          <ee6de>recipe cookbook</ee6de>
        </ee41>
      </ee55>
    <ee25 ea6="v0.3" id="r1" xml:lang="de"/>
</ee26>
</xforms:instance>

<xforms:bind nodeset="instance('recipe-instance')/ee41">
    <xforms:bind nodeset="ee6de" required="true()"/>
</xforms:bind>

</xforms:model>

    </head>
    <body>
    <p>Hello</p>
      <xforms:group ref="title">
        <xforms:input ref="ee41/ee6de">
          <xforms:label>Title</xforms:label></xforms:input><br/>
      </xforms:group>
    </body>
</html>

The control title does not appear on the screen . Why is that ? What I am doing wrong here ?

Thanks for answer.

best regards

Peter

Peter Teichert

Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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Hello Erik,

I think that XML 1.1 is not dead especially in multi-language environment.
For example I am creating a multi-language cooking recipe xml web service which will communicate in german, english and russian languages. The tags, tags content and the screen language will be changed.

2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>

My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do you have an actual strong need for this?

You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large "file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference for eXist.

The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-end talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would use an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.

Yes, this I want to try

Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.

Yes, I downloaded today the nightly build. The form runner should be very fine for me.

Peter

-Erik

On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello OPS users,
I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of cooking recipes.
I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice beforehand :

1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to german language
3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for validation in every xml file
4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather have one xml file per recipe
How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

Thanks for answers

Peter

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Erik Bruchez

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Peter,

Why do the name of the tags need to be changed when you localize the
recipe? Just asking because it's the first time I have seen this.

In general, XML formats are defined in a single language (say,
English), and only the containing data is localized. There is usually
no need to localize elements as those are processed by software, not
by humans.

-Erik

On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:

> Hello Erik,
>
> I think that XML 1.1 is not dead especially in multi-language
> environment.
> For example I am creating a multi-language cooking recipe xml web
> service which will communicate in german, english and russian
> languages. The tags, tags content and the screen language will be
> changed.
>
>
> 2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
> My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do
> you have an actual strong need for this?
>
> You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know
> your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large
> "file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a
> difference for eXist.
>
> The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-
> end talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would
> use an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.
>
> Yes, this I want to try
>
> Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form
> Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.
>
> Yes, I downloaded today the nightly build. The form runner should be
> very fine for me.
>
> Peter
>
> -Erik
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:
>
> Hello OPS users,
> I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of
> cooking recipes.
> I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice
> beforehand :
>
> 1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
> 2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english
> to german language
> 3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for
> validation in every xml file
> 4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather
> have one xml file per recipe
> How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS
>
> Thanks for answers
>
> Peter
>
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Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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> <ee26 xmlns="http://www.ecooker.net/v0.3"

> xmlns:ec="http://www.ecooker.net/v0.3"
> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
> xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
> xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.ecooker.net/uni/v0.3 file:///C:/Home/teichert/cookbook/schema/uni/v0.3/ecooker_v0.3.xsd
> "
> ea6="v0.3">
> <ee55>
> <ee41 ea6="v0.3">
> <ee6de>recipe cookbook</ee6de>
> </ee41>
> </ee55>
> <ee25 ea6="v0.3" id="r1" xml:lang="de"/>
> </ee26>

>
> <xforms:bind nodeset="instance('recipe-instance')/ee41">

This won't work: instance('recipe-instance') returns element <ee26>.
If you want to reach element <ee41>, you need to address ee55 as well.
So write:

xforms:bind nodeset="instance('recipe-instance')/ee55/ee41">

> <xforms:group ref="title">

This line is incorrect: you don't have a <title> element in your
instance. Replace it with ref="ee55".

-Erik

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Peter Teichert

Re: Re: Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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Hello Erik,
I agree with you, but my first idea was to write xml files by hand. Therefore for russian speaking community it would be more easy to use their language when writing xml recipe files.
Greetings
Peter

2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>

Peter,

Why do the name of the tags need to be changed when you localize the recipe? Just asking because it's the first time I have seen this.

In general, XML formats are defined in a single language (say, English), and only the containing data is localized. There is usually no need to localize elements as those are processed by software, not by humans.

-Erik

On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello Erik,

I think that XML 1.1 is not dead especially in multi-language environment.
For example I am creating a multi-language cooking recipe xml web service which will communicate in german, english and russian languages. The tags, tags content and the screen language will be changed.

2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do you have an actual strong need for this?

You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large "file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference for eXist.

The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-end talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would use an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.

Yes, this I want to try

Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.

Yes, I downloaded today the nightly build. The form runner should be very fine for me.

Peter

-Erik

On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello OPS users,
I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of cooking recipes.
I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice beforehand :

1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to german language
3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for validation in every xml file
4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather have one xml file per recipe
How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

Thanks for answers

Peter

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Erik Bruchez

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Peter,

I understand. But it will make everything much more complicated I
think. For example, in XForms, XPath bindings point to element names,
e.g.:

<xforms:input ref="recipe">

If you change the element names, then all the XForms will have to
change as well.

If you really want to do that, one approach could be to go first
through a transformation phase: normalize everything into English or
the language of your choice, and use localized version only for import/
export.

But if it was just me, I would really just try to avoid the extra
complexity.

-Erik

On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:

> Hello Erik,
> I agree with you, but my first idea was to write xml files by hand.
> Therefore for russian speaking community it would be more easy to
> use their language when writing xml recipe files.
> Greetings
> Peter
>
> 2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
> Peter,
>
> Why do the name of the tags need to be changed when you localize the
> recipe? Just asking because it's the first time I have seen this.
>
> In general, XML formats are defined in a single language (say,
> English), and only the containing data is localized. There is
> usually no need to localize elements as those are processed by
> software, not by humans.
>
> -Erik
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:
>
> Hello Erik,
>
> I think that XML 1.1 is not dead especially in multi-language
> environment.
> For example I am creating a multi-language cooking recipe xml web
> service which will communicate in german, english and russian
> languages. The tags, tags content and the screen language will be
> changed.
>
>
> 2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
> My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do
> you have an actual strong need for this?
>
> You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know
> your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large
> "file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a
> difference for eXist.
>
> The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-
> end talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would
> use an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.
>
> Yes, this I want to try
>
> Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form
> Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.
>
> Yes, I downloaded today the nightly build. The form runner should be
> very fine for me.
>
> Peter
>
> -Erik
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:
>
> Hello OPS users,
> I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of
> cooking recipes.
> I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice
> beforehand :
>
> 1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
> 2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english
> to german language
> 3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for
> validation in every xml file
> 4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather
> have one xml file per recipe
> How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS
>
> Thanks for answers
>
> Peter
>
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Peter Teichert

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

Hello Erik,

I fully agree with your approach. Therefore I introduced tag names which will be written in normal 0-127 ASCII code and then I will translate them into diff languages ( e.g. ee26 - will mean recipe in english and rezept in german)

But I have another problem with the OPS tutorial. Can you review my view.html in my previous email and give me some hint to resolve the issue ? Thanks for response

Greetinge, Peter

2008/10/15 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>

Peter,

I understand. But it will make everything much more complicated I think. For example, in XForms, XPath bindings point to element names, e.g.:

<xforms:input ref="recipe">

If you change the element names, then all the XForms will have to change as well.

If you really want to do that, one approach could be to go first through a transformation phase: normalize everything into English or the language of your choice, and use localized version only for import/export.

But if it was just me, I would really just try to avoid the extra complexity.

-Erik

On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello Erik,
I agree with you, but my first idea was to write xml files by hand. Therefore for russian speaking community it would be more easy to use their language when writing xml recipe files.
Greetings
Peter

2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
Peter,

Why do the name of the tags need to be changed when you localize the recipe? Just asking because it's the first time I have seen this.

In general, XML formats are defined in a single language (say, English), and only the containing data is localized. There is usually no need to localize elements as those are processed by software, not by humans.

-Erik

On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello Erik,

I think that XML 1.1 is not dead especially in multi-language environment.
For example I am creating a multi-language cooking recipe xml web service which will communicate in german, english and russian languages. The tags, tags content and the screen language will be changed.

2008/10/12 Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]>
My feeling was that XML 1.1 was pretty much dead, unfortunately. Do you have an actual strong need for this?

You could also store your data into the eXist database. I don't know your data format, but in eXist you could either have a single large "file", or multiple small ones. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference for eXist.

The architecture I would use is one where you have an XForms front-end talking to eXist through REST. If that doesn't work out, I would use an intermediate layer of services between XForms and eXist.

Yes, this I want to try

Depending on your requirements, you may even be able to use Form Runner, if your data is very form-oriented.

Yes, I downloaded today the nightly build. The form runner should be very fine for me.

Peter

-Erik

On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Peter Teichert wrote:

Hello OPS users,
I am developing an xml solution for creation and management of cooking recipes.
I am interested to use OPS for this but I need some advice beforehand :

1. Is it possible to manage xml 1.1 files within OPS
2. How can be changed in OPS the language in view.html from english to german language
3. Is it possible in OPS to include large xml schema (128kb) for validation in every xml file
4. Is it better to include all recipes in one big xml file or rather have one xml file per recipe
How can be done selection of xml files to open within OPS

Thanks for answers

Peter

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Use of OPS for cooking recipe management using xml

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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Peter Teichert
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> But I have another problem with the OPS tutorial. Can you review my
> view.html in my previous email and give me some hint to resolve the issue ?

The <xforms:input> is inside a <xforms:group ref="title">, but I don't
see a <title> inside <ee26>, so nothing inside the group will show.

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