Show input text with no associated reference

> Hello,
>
> First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english, if you don't understand
> something, tell me, please.
> I want ask you for a problem that i don't know how i can resolve.
>
> I have the following code:
>
> <xforms:input ref="Pob">
>                         <xforms:label class="sort-label">Población a 1
> de Enero</xforms:label>
> </xforms:input>
>
>
> It's possible 'Pob' reference are not in the xml associated file and i
> can't change the xml structure.
> I need this input are displaying even though is empty. It will be in
> read-only mode, I'll never save this data form in the xml file.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Jesús.

>
> In any case, thank you for spend your time in my question.
>
> Jesús.
>
>  > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:16:07 +0200
>  > From: [hidden email]
>  > To: [hidden email]
>  > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference
>  >
>  > Jesús,
>  >
>  > In XForms, controls have to be bound to existing XML nodes (elements
>  > or attributes). If they are bound to non-existing nodes, then the
>  > controls are disabled or not shown at all.
>  >
>  > This can be solved in two ways:
>  >
>  > 1. Next to controls that may or may not have associated nodes, add a
>  > trigger (appearing as a button, link, image) that can be used to
>  > insert a new node in the XML document with xforms:insert. Once the
>  > node is inserted, the control will appear. You may also want a
>  > trigger doing an xforms:delete to remove the node.
>  >
>  > 2. Pre-process the XML document (e.g. with XSLT) in advance to all all
>  > the possible nodes. This may or may not be desirable in your
>  > case. Then post-process the document to remove the nodes when you
>  > are done, for example after submission.
>  >
>  > -Erik
>  >
>  > aa aa wrote:
>  > > Sorry, I don't understand what you have told me.
>  > >
>  > > The users can import a xml file with no optional parameters. Then, they
>  > > can see the form and if their xml file had not that optional
> paramaters,
>  > > the fields of that parameters aren't in the form and y I would like
> they
>  > > are in the form.
>  > >
>  > > Thank you
>  > >
>  > >
>  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > > From: [hidden email]
>  > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:49 -0700
>  > > To: [hidden email]
>  > > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > What if the input was bound to a different instance? Then it
>  > > would always be there, whether or not it was in the instance of
>  > > the "associated file" . Then, you would need to use events like
>  > > xforms-ready and value-changed to copy the value from
>  > > the associated file ( or a default value if it is not in the
>  > > file).
>  > >
>  > > Can you process the associated file with xslt and insure that
>  > > a value is there?
>  > >
>  > > Regards,
>  > > Hank Ratzesberger
>  > > UCSB
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:27 AM, aa aa wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Hello,
>  > >
>  > > First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english, if you don't
>  > > understand something, tell me, please.
>  > > I want ask you for a problem that i don't know how i can resolve.
>  > >
>  > > I have the following code:
>  > >
>  > > <xforms:input ref="Pob">
>  > > <xforms:label
>  > > class="sort-label">Población a 1 de Enero</xforms:label>
>  > > </xforms:input>
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > It's possible 'Pob' reference are not in the xml associated file
>  > > and i can't change the xml structure.
>  > > I need this input are displaying even though is empty. It will
>  > > be in read-only mode, I'll never save this data form in the xml
>  > > file.
>  > >
>  > > Thank you in advance.
>  > > Jesús.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>  > http://www.orbeon.com/
>  >
>  >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Llama a tus amigos de PC a PC: ¡Es GRATIS! Pruébalo
> <http://get.live.com/messenger/overview>
>

> The data that it should be showed is nothing, a text field empty, but my
> client wants to see an input text field because there are a lot of
> fields like that and the form seems better if all fields are showed.
> Yeah, I know that it depends when i compute the md5, but i need save the
> xml file like the client import, i can't modify it. It's very important
> don't modify this file because the xml has the last year accounting for
> some city council and we are in a trouble if we modify it...
> Thank you Erik.
>
> Jesús.
>
>  > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:36:01 +0200
>  > From: [hidden email]
>  > To: [hidden email]
>  > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference
>  >
>  > aa aa wrote:
>  > > Erik,
>  > >
>  > > The first one is not possible because they don't need to change this
>  > > field, they only want see this input text
>  >
>  > I don't understand: if there is no node in the XML, what data is there
>  > to show?
>  >
>  > > The second one is not possible for me because they import a xml file
>  > > with its md5 file and for this reason, if i pre-process the file, the
>  > > md5 associated change and it's not possible.
>  >
>  > Well, it all depends when you compute the md5, right?
>  >
>  > -Erik
>  >
>  > >
>  > > In any case, thank you for spend your time in my question.
>  > >
>  > > Jesús.
>  > >
>  > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:16:07 +0200
>  > > > From: [hidden email]
>  > > > To: [hidden email]
>  > > > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference
>  > > >
>  > > > Jesús,
>  > > >
>  > > > In XForms, controls have to be bound to existing XML nodes (elements
>  > > > or attributes). If they are bound to non-existing nodes, then the
>  > > > controls are disabled or not shown at all.
>  > > >
>  > > > This can be solved in two ways:
>  > > >
>  > > > 1. Next to controls that may or may not have associated nodes, add a
>  > > > trigger (appearing as a button, link, image) that can be used to
>  > > > insert a new node in the XML document with xforms:insert. Once the
>  > > > node is inserted, the control will appear. You may also want a
>  > > > trigger doing an xforms:delete to remove the node.
>  > > >
>  > > > 2. Pre-process the XML document (e.g. with XSLT) in advance to
> all all
>  > > > the possible nodes. This may or may not be desirable in your
>  > > > case. Then post-process the document to remove the nodes when you
>  > > > are done, for example after submission.
>  > > >
>  > > > -Erik
>  > > >
>  > > > aa aa wrote:
>  > > > > Sorry, I don't understand what you have told me.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > The users can import a xml file with no optional parameters.
> Then, they
>  > > > > can see the form and if their xml file had not that optional
>  > > paramaters,
>  > > > > the fields of that parameters aren't in the form and y I would
> like
>  > > they
>  > > > > are in the form.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Thank you
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > > > > From: [hidden email]
>  > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:49 -0700
>  > > > > To: [hidden email]
>  > > > > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated
> reference
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > What if the input was bound to a different instance? Then it
>  > > > > would always be there, whether or not it was in the instance of
>  > > > > the "associated file" . Then, you would need to use events like
>  > > > > xforms-ready and value-changed to copy the value from
>  > > > > the associated file ( or a default value if it is not in the
>  > > > > file).
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Can you process the associated file with xslt and insure that
>  > > > > a value is there?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Regards,
>  > > > > Hank Ratzesberger
>  > > > > UCSB
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:27 AM, aa aa wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Hello,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english, if you don't
>  > > > > understand something, tell me, please.
>  > > > > I want ask you for a problem that i don't know how i can resolve.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I have the following code:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > <xforms:input ref="Pob">
>  > > > > <xforms:label
>  > > > > class="sort-label">Población a 1 de Enero</xforms:label>
>  > > > > </xforms:input>
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > It's possible 'Pob' reference are not in the xml associated file
>  > > > > and i can't change the xml structure.
>  > > > > I need this input are displaying even though is empty. It will
>  > > > > be in read-only mode, I'll never save this data form in the xml
>  > > > > file.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Thank you in advance.
>  > > > > Jesús.
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>  > > > http://www.orbeon.com/
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>  > http://www.orbeon.com/
>  >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:10 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference
>
> Jesús,
>
> In a way, the XML will be "modified" when going through XForms, in that it
> is parsed, transformed into a DOM representation, then serialized again. If
> you were to add a node, say <dummy/>, then delete that node, nobody will
> notice the change. So I don't think this is a problem.
>
> What you could do is something like this:
>
>    <xforms:input
>      ref="if (exists(first-name))
>             then first-name else instance('dummy')">
>
> And in your model:
>
> <xforms:instance id="dummy">
>    <dummy/>
> </xforms:instance>
>
> Then make that read-only:
>
>    <xforms:bind nodeset="instance('dummy')" readonly="true()"/>
>
> This way, controls will be bound to data nodes if they exist, otherwise they
> will be bound to an empty, read-only node. That should do the trick.
>
> -Erik
>
> aa aa wrote:
> > The data that it should be showed is nothing, a text field empty, but
> > my client wants to see an input text field because there are a lot of
> > fields like that and the form seems better if all fields are showed.
> > Yeah, I know that it depends when i compute the md5, but i need save
> > the xml file like the client import, i can't modify it. It's very
> > important don't modify this file because the xml has the last year
> > accounting for some city council and we are in a trouble if we modify
> it...
> > Thank you Erik.
> >
> > Jesús.
> >
> >  > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:36:01 +0200  > From: [hidden email]
> > > To: [hidden email]  > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input
> > text with no associated reference  >  > aa aa wrote:
> >  > > Erik,
> >  > >
> >  > > The first one is not possible because they don't need to change
> > this  > > field, they only want see this input text  >  > I don't
> > understand: if there is no node in the XML, what data is there  > to
> > show?
> >  >
> >  > > The second one is not possible for me because they import a xml
> > file  > > with its md5 file and for this reason, if i pre-process the
> > file, the  > > md5 associated change and it's not possible.
> >  >
> >  > Well, it all depends when you compute the md5, right?
> >  >
> >  > -Erik
> >  >
> >  > >
> >  > > In any case, thank you for spend your time in my question.
> >  > >
> >  > > Jesús.
> >  > >
> >  > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:16:07 +0200  > > > From:
> > [hidden email]  > > > To: [hidden email]  > > > Subject:
> > Re: [ops-users] Show input text with no associated reference  > > >  >
> > > > Jesús,  > > >  > > > In XForms, controls have to be bound to
> > existing XML nodes (elements  > > > or attributes). If they are bound
> > to non-existing nodes, then the  > > > controls are disabled or not
> > shown at all.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > This can be solved in two ways:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > 1. Next to controls that may or may not have associated nodes,
> > add a  > > > trigger (appearing as a button, link, image) that can be
> > used to  > > > insert a new node in the XML document with
> > xforms:insert. Once the  > > > node is inserted, the control will
> > appear. You may also want a  > > > trigger doing an xforms:delete to
> remove the node.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > 2. Pre-process the XML document (e.g. with XSLT) in advance to
> > all all  > > > the possible nodes. This may or may not be desirable in
> > your  > > > case. Then post-process the document to remove the nodes
> > when you  > > > are done, for example after submission.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > -Erik
> >  > > >
> >  > > > aa aa wrote:
> >  > > > > Sorry, I don't understand what you have told me.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > The users can import a xml file with no optional parameters.
> > Then, they
> >  > > > > can see the form and if their xml file had not that optional
> > > > paramaters,  > > > > the fields of that parameters aren't in the
> > form and y I would like  > > they  > > > > are in the form.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Thank you
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >  > > > > From: [hidden email]
> >  > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:49 -0700  > > > > To:
> > [hidden email]  > > > > Subject: Re: [ops-users] Show input
> > text with no associated reference  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > What if
> > the input was bound to a different instance? Then it  > > > > would
> > always be there, whether or not it was in the instance of  > > > > the
> > "associated file" . Then, you would need to use events like  > > > >
> > xforms-ready and value-changed to copy the value from  > > > > the
> > associated file ( or a default value if it is not in the  > > > >
> > file).
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Can you process the associated file with xslt and insure that
> > > > > > a value is there?
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Regards,
> >  > > > > Hank Ratzesberger
> >  > > > > UCSB
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:27 AM, aa aa wrote:
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Hello,
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english, if you don't  > >
> > > > understand something, tell me, please.
> >  > > > > I want ask you for a problem that i don't know how i can resolve.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > I have the following code:
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > <xforms:input ref="Pob">
> >  > > > > <xforms:label
> >  > > > > class="sort-label">Población a 1 de Enero</xforms:label>  > >
> > > > </xforms:input>  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > It's possible 'Pob'
> > reference are not in the xml associated file  > > > > and i can't
> > change the xml structure.
> >  > > > > I need this input are displaying even though is empty. It
> > will  > > > > be in read-only mode, I'll never save this data form in
> > the xml  > > > > file.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Thank you in advance.
> >  > > > > Jesús.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > --
> >  > > > Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
> > > > > http://www.orbeon.com/  > > >  > > >  > >  > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --  > > Llama a tus amigos de PC a PC: ¡Es GRATIS! Pruébalo  > >
> > <http://get.live.com/messenger/overview>
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way  >
> > http://www.orbeon.com/  >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -- Llama a tus amigos de PC a PC: ¡Es GRATIS! Pruébalo
> > <http://get.live.com/messenger/overview>
> >
>
>
> --
> Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
> http://www.orbeon.com/