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Earl Morton
I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner, but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either. When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL, however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new. "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name I gave to the new form.

I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or outliner.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

Earl Morton


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Re: Forms not saved

andy.kallenbach@saberco.net
I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.

Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved

I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner, but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either. When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL, however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new. "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name I gave to the new form.

I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or outliner.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

Earl Morton


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Earl Morton
Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.

Earl

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.

Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved

I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner, but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either. When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL, however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new. "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name I gave to the new form.

I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or outliner.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

Earl Morton


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Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

andy.kallenbach@saberco.net
Most of what you describe is what you would expect...

It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.

Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search on. You only created the form and have not entered data.

I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find anything since the contents is stored inside a database.

No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form the same as the application?

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved

Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.

Earl

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.

Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved

I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner, but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either. When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL, however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new. "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name I gave to the new form.

I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or outliner.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

Earl Morton


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Earl Morton
On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.

I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or something that allows me to choose from the available forms?

I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?

I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?

By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the forms, of course.

Earl

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach <[hidden email]> wrote:
Most of what you describe is what you would expect...

It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.

Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search on. You only created the form and have not entered data.

I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find anything since the contents is stored inside a database.

No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form the same as the application?

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved

Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.

Earl

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.

Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api

Andy


From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved

I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner, but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either. When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL, however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new. "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name I gave to the new form.

I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or outliner.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

Earl Morton


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Erik Bruchez
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Earl,

Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
its URL.

The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:

http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary

the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".

This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
The page is accessible via:

http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/

This is currently only available in nightly builds though.

-Erik

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>
> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>
> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>
> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>
> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
> forms, of course.
>
> Earl
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>
>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>
>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>
>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>
>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>> the same as the application?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>
>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>
>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>
>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>> outliner.
>>>
>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Earl Morton
>>>
>>>
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RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Morton, Earl D
OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?

Earl

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Earl,

Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
its URL.

The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:

http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary

the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".

This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
The page is accessible via:

http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/

This is currently only available in nightly builds though.

-Erik

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>
> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>
> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>
> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>
> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
> forms, of course.
>
> Earl
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>
>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>
>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>
>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>
>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>> the same as the application?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>
>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>
>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>
>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>> outliner.
>>>
>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Earl Morton
>>>
>>>
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Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Erik Bruchez
Administrator
Earl,

That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
published properly, it should just work out of the box!

-Erik

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>
> Earl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
> its URL.
>
> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>
> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>
> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>
> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
> The page is accessible via:
>
> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>
> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>
>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>
>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>
>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>
>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>> forms, of course.
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>
>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>
>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>
>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>> the same as the application?
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>
>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>
>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>> outliner.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Morton, Earl D
Since I can't save my own forms yet--I still need to get that resolved--I decided I'd tinker with the demo forms, which do seem to work. However, they apparently don't save any data either. I can pull them up in the browser and fill them in. Their messages about missing or incorrect data work, etc. When I save the form, it tells me on the screen that the data has been saved successfully. But when I close the form and go to the summary page for that form and search for the data I just entered, it does not find it. It also does not list any data in the summary table.

So now I'm wondering if somehow the eXist database didn't get set up or installed correctly. Perhaps that is causing both problems. Can anyone tell me how to confirm that the database is there and configured correctly? Is it possible that since I did not install Orbeon Forms in its default folder under the Tomcat installation, that its links to the database are broken? Everything I've found in the documentation about the eXist database suggests that it is installed and configured automatically, so I don't know what to look for.

Thanks!

Earl Morton

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Earl,

That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
published properly, it should just work out of the box!

-Erik

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>
> Earl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
> its URL.
>
> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>
> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>
> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>
> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
> The page is accessible via:
>
> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>
> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>
>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>
>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>
>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>
>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>> forms, of course.
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>
>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>
>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>
>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>> the same as the application?
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>
>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>
>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>> outliner.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> list.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>
>>>
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Erik Bruchez
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Earl,

It's hard to tell as in principle the whole thing should just install
and run out of the box.

It could be a permissions issue (eXist unable to write to its
directly, for example).

Can you check the Tomcat logs and see if there is any error message there?

-Erik

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Morton, Earl D
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Since I can't save my own forms yet--I still need to get that resolved--I decided I'd tinker with the demo forms, which do seem to work. However, they apparently don't save any data either. I can pull them up in the browser and fill them in. Their messages about missing or incorrect data work, etc. When I save the form, it tells me on the screen that the data has been saved successfully. But when I close the form and go to the summary page for that form and search for the data I just entered, it does not find it. It also does not list any data in the summary table.
>
> So now I'm wondering if somehow the eXist database didn't get set up or installed correctly. Perhaps that is causing both problems. Can anyone tell me how to confirm that the database is there and configured correctly? Is it possible that since I did not install Orbeon Forms in its default folder under the Tomcat installation, that its links to the database are broken? Everything I've found in the documentation about the eXist database suggests that it is installed and configured automatically, so I don't know what to look for.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Earl Morton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
> published properly, it should just work out of the box!
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Earl,
>>
>> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
>> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
>> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
>> its URL.
>>
>> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>>
>> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>>
>> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
>> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
>> The page is accessible via:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>>
>> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>>
>>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>>
>>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>>
>>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>>
>>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>>> forms, of course.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>>
>>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>>
>>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>>> the same as the application?
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>>
>>>> Earl
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>>> outliner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Earl Morton
I found several log files in the Tomcat folders, but it looks like they were all created within a few minutes of each other on Aug 4, and haven't been touched since, despite the fact that I've started Tomcat and been in and out of Orbeon Forms several times since then, including just now. I just tried to create another new form, and got the same results. None of the log files were modified.

I'm tempted to wipe Orbeon and Tomcat off my hard disk and try to install it all again from scratch. But I've done that several times, and this is the closest I gotten to it working. I'm afraid I'd lose ground if I did that.

Any other ideas?

Earl


On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Earl,

It's hard to tell as in principle the whole thing should just install
and run out of the box.

It could be a permissions issue (eXist unable to write to its
directly, for example).

Can you check the Tomcat logs and see if there is any error message there?

-Erik

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Morton, Earl D
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Since I can't save my own forms yet--I still need to get that resolved--I decided I'd tinker with the demo forms, which do seem to work. However, they apparently don't save any data either. I can pull them up in the browser and fill them in. Their messages about missing or incorrect data work, etc. When I save the form, it tells me on the screen that the data has been saved successfully. But when I close the form and go to the summary page for that form and search for the data I just entered, it does not find it. It also does not list any data in the summary table.
>
> So now I'm wondering if somehow the eXist database didn't get set up or installed correctly. Perhaps that is causing both problems. Can anyone tell me how to confirm that the database is there and configured correctly? Is it possible that since I did not install Orbeon Forms in its default folder under the Tomcat installation, that its links to the database are broken? Everything I've found in the documentation about the eXist database suggests that it is installed and configured automatically, so I don't know what to look for.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Earl Morton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
> published properly, it should just work out of the box!
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Earl,
>>
>> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
>> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
>> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
>> its URL.
>>
>> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>>
>> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>>
>> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
>> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
>> The page is accessible via:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>>
>> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>>
>>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>>
>>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>>
>>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>>
>>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>>> forms, of course.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>>
>>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>>
>>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>>> the same as the application?
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>>
>>>> Earl
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>>> outliner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Einar Moos
Earl,

This is what I did when similar behavior occurred on my testing:

Dell Inspiron, running Win7, Apache Foundation/Tomcat6 in Program Files; latest orbeon.war would be deployed from manager and some pages worked e.g.form builder worked but no forms were saved.

Solution:

Checked + tested Tomcat6; undeployed orbeon. Restarted Win7. Restarted Tomcat. Took the latest orbeon build http://www.orbeon.com/forms/download

This was a while ago when nightly version were released, well, every night.

Remember to modified the log4j.xml and properties-local.xml following instructions on the excellent http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc
The logs should appear in the Tomcat log folder.

It is of great help to visualize and understand the file system where /apps/ and /form/s are separate folders with different levels of sub-folders.

All I can say it is a wonderful application and great to develop from.

HTH

--einar



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
I found several log files in the Tomcat folders, but it looks like they were all created within a few minutes of each other on Aug 4, and haven't been touched since, despite the fact that I've started Tomcat and been in and out of Orbeon Forms several times since then, including just now. I just tried to create another new form, and got the same results. None of the log files were modified.

I'm tempted to wipe Orbeon and Tomcat off my hard disk and try to install it all again from scratch. But I've done that several times, and this is the closest I gotten to it working. I'm afraid I'd lose ground if I did that.

Any other ideas?

Earl



On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Earl,

It's hard to tell as in principle the whole thing should just install
and run out of the box.

It could be a permissions issue (eXist unable to write to its
directly, for example).

Can you check the Tomcat logs and see if there is any error message there?

-Erik

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Morton, Earl D
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Since I can't save my own forms yet--I still need to get that resolved--I decided I'd tinker with the demo forms, which do seem to work. However, they apparently don't save any data either. I can pull them up in the browser and fill them in. Their messages about missing or incorrect data work, etc. When I save the form, it tells me on the screen that the data has been saved successfully. But when I close the form and go to the summary page for that form and search for the data I just entered, it does not find it. It also does not list any data in the summary table.
>
> So now I'm wondering if somehow the eXist database didn't get set up or installed correctly. Perhaps that is causing both problems. Can anyone tell me how to confirm that the database is there and configured correctly? Is it possible that since I did not install Orbeon Forms in its default folder under the Tomcat installation, that its links to the database are broken? Everything I've found in the documentation about the eXist database suggests that it is installed and configured automatically, so I don't know what to look for.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Earl Morton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
> published properly, it should just work out of the box!
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Earl,
>>
>> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
>> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
>> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
>> its URL.
>>
>> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>>
>> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>>
>> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
>> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
>> The page is accessible via:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>>
>> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>>
>>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>>
>>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>>
>>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>>
>>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>>> forms, of course.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>>
>>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>>
>>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>>> the same as the application?
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>>
>>>> Earl
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>>> outliner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing
>>>>> list.
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Text File:message-footer.txt]
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: Forms not saved

Morton, Earl D
Einar,
 
It is helpful to know that I'm not the only person this has happened to!  :-)
 
When you say that you "checked + tested Tomcat6," what exactly did you do? I'm not familiar with Tomcat at all. In fact, I had never heard of it before a few weeks ago when I started looking at Orbeon Forms.
 
Also, are you suggesting that something in the nightly builds might have fixed the problem? I've been working with the last stable build of Orbeon Forms (Orbeon Forms 3.9.0 CE). I tend to avoid pre-release versions of software unless I know that they fix something I need.
 
Thanks!
 
Earl


From: Einar Moos [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:18 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved

Earl,

This is what I did when similar behavior occurred on my testing:

Dell Inspiron, running Win7, Apache Foundation/Tomcat6 in Program Files; latest orbeon.war would be deployed from manager and some pages worked e.g.form builder worked but no forms were saved.

Solution:

Checked + tested Tomcat6; undeployed orbeon. Restarted Win7. Restarted Tomcat. Took the latest orbeon build http://www.orbeon.com/forms/download

This was a while ago when nightly version were released, well, every night.

Remember to modified the log4j.xml and properties-local.xml following instructions on the excellent http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc
The logs should appear in the Tomcat log folder.

It is of great help to visualize and understand the file system where /apps/ and /form/s are separate folders with different levels of sub-folders.

All I can say it is a wonderful application and great to develop from.

HTH

--einar



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
I found several log files in the Tomcat folders, but it looks like they were all created within a few minutes of each other on Aug 4, and haven't been touched since, despite the fact that I've started Tomcat and been in and out of Orbeon Forms several times since then, including just now. I just tried to create another new form, and got the same results. None of the log files were modified.

I'm tempted to wipe Orbeon and Tomcat off my hard disk and try to install it all again from scratch. But I've done that several times, and this is the closest I gotten to it working. I'm afraid I'd lose ground if I did that.

Any other ideas?

Earl



On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Earl,

It's hard to tell as in principle the whole thing should just install
and run out of the box.

It could be a permissions issue (eXist unable to write to its
directly, for example).

Can you check the Tomcat logs and see if there is any error message there?

-Erik

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Morton, Earl D
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Since I can't save my own forms yet--I still need to get that resolved--I decided I'd tinker with the demo forms, which do seem to work. However, they apparently don't save any data either. I can pull them up in the browser and fill them in. Their messages about missing or incorrect data work, etc. When I save the form, it tells me on the screen that the data has been saved successfully. But when I close the form and go to the summary page for that form and search for the data I just entered, it does not find it. It also does not list any data in the summary table.
>
> So now I'm wondering if somehow the eXist database didn't get set up or installed correctly. Perhaps that is causing both problems. Can anyone tell me how to confirm that the database is there and configured correctly? Is it possible that since I did not install Orbeon Forms in its default folder under the Tomcat installation, that its links to the database are broken? Everything I've found in the documentation about the eXist database suggests that it is installed and configured automatically, so I don't know what to look for.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Earl Morton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>
> Earl,
>
> That's right: you shouldn't get an empty page. If the form is
> published properly, it should just work out of the box!
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Morton, Earl D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> OK, so I've misunderstood the summary lists, but that still doesn't explain why I get an empty browser tab when I click the "Open published form new page" link after publishing the form. Shouldn't I get a form to fill in with data at that point? Any ideas about that or how to fix it?
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Erik Bruchez
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>
>> Earl,
>>
>> Up to and including Orbeon Forms 3.9, there is no master landing page
>> that lists all the form that have been published. So in order to
>> navigate to the Summary or New page for a given form, you need to know
>> its URL.
>>
>> The good news is that URLs are regular. For example in:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/orbeon/bookshelf/summary
>>
>> the form's app name is "orbeon" and the form's form name is "bookshelf".
>>
>> This said, we have recently implemented a new landing page which lists
>> all forms to which a user has access (as part of role-based access).
>> The page is accessible via:
>>
>> http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/
>>
>> This is currently only available in nightly builds though.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Earl Morton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On your suggestion I just created another new form, calling the application
>>> "TestApplication" and the form "TestForm." It had just one field, the
>>> default input box. I gave labels for the form name, section, and field, but
>>> made no other changes. I get the exact same behavior after "saving" it.
>>>
>>> I've been assuming that the search function in the Form Runner was to find
>>> and open the form that you want to fill out. But you're saying that clicking
>>> New should do that? How then would it know which form I want to use? Where
>>> I'm getting an empty browser tab, is it supposed to display a dialog box or
>>> something that allows me to choose from the available forms?
>>>
>>> I've also been assuming that the search function in the Form Builder was to
>>> find and open a form that I want to modify. Is this a correct assumption?
>>>
>>> I should clarify my understanding of where things are saved. It's my
>>> impression that the form definitions are saved in individual subfolders of
>>> \Orbeon\WEB-INF\resources\apps, but that the form data and the index to the
>>> form definitions are stored in the eXist database (unless you change the
>>> default configuration, which I have not done). Is this incorrect?
>>>
>>> By the way, when I installed Tomcat, I told it to not start up automatically
>>> during system boot. (At least that what I think one of the installation
>>> options was asking.) But I still get an error message every time I boot the
>>> computer saying that I don't have permission to run Tomcat. After I start
>>> Tomcat manually, everything seems to work fine--except for not saving the
>>> forms, of course.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most of what you describe is what you would expect...
>>>>
>>>> It says "No form data was found" when you look at the summary... because
>>>> you have not entered any data with the form. You only created the form. You
>>>> can click "New" on the summary page to enter some data into your form.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, the search does nothing because there is no form data to search
>>>> on. You only created the form and have not entered data.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you can go looking through the file system to find
>>>> anything since the contents is stored inside a database.
>>>>
>>>> No idea why you don't see anything when you click "New". Have you
>>>> simplified everything? Make a simple 1 field form and don't name your form
>>>> the same as the application?
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:20:16 PM
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Re: Forms not saved
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's where I understand that it is supposed to save it, but it
>>>> doesn't seem to be happening. Or at least, if it is saving it there, then I
>>>> can't access it. I don't see anything in the documentation on the
>>>> persistence API that describes what I'm seeing or how to resolve it.
>>>>
>>>> Earl
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Andrew J. Kallenbach
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it saves this in the eXist database.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a wiki on the persistence layer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/doc/developer-guide/form-runner/persistence-api
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "Earl Morton" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:20:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Forms not saved
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm exploring Orbeon Forms, and in particular, the Form Builder. It seems
>>>>> to create new forms correctly, but doesn't appear to save them. After I've
>>>>> created a form and tested it, I click Save, and it says "Document saved
>>>>> successfully!" Then I click Publish, and after the confirmation message, it
>>>>> displays a dialog box that says "The form was published successfully." It
>>>>> has two two options, "Open published form summary page" and "Open published
>>>>> form new page." When I click the first option, it displays the Form Runner,
>>>>> but says "No form data was found." The search doesn't find the form either.
>>>>> When I click the second option, it opens an empty tab in my browser. I've
>>>>> looked at the page source--there is absolutely nothing there. The URL,
>>>>> however, is http://localhost:8080/orbeon/fr/Outliner/outliner/new.
>>>>> "Outliner" is the name I gave to the application, and "outliner" is the name
>>>>> I gave to the new form.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also looked through the folders on my hard disk, and find nothing
>>>>> about my form. I expected to find a folder called either Outliner or
>>>>> outliner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Earl Morton
>>>>>
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Re: RE: Forms not saved

Einar Moos
Earl,

Sorry, I meant to say that I "studied" the Apache/Tomcat docs just to be familiar with the server architecture. (Useful if you wish to change the CPU later on.)

Orbeon's nightly builds are great for testing, some used to show bugs that were always resolved once they were identified. I don't believe your bugs have anything to do with the orbeon.war file you are using though. IMO there seems to be a problem with Win7; only on Vista and Win7 did I encounter these problems, never on Ubuntu.

Recently I found that it is very easy to deploy orbeon.war and then undeploy it and play with it until it runs smoothly.

Cheers

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Morton, Earl D
OK--thanks, Einar! I'll see if I can spend some more time this weekend studying Tomcat. I have read some of its documentation, but most of it went over my head, since I have no experience with web servers or web services.
 
Earl


From: Einar Moos [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:36 PM
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Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Forms not saved

Earl,

Sorry, I meant to say that I "studied" the Apache/Tomcat docs just to be familiar with the server architecture. (Useful if you wish to change the CPU later on.)

Orbeon's nightly builds are great for testing, some used to show bugs that were always resolved once they were identified. I don't believe your bugs have anything to do with the orbeon.war file you are using though. IMO there seems to be a problem with Win7; only on Vista and Win7 did I encounter these problems, never on Ubuntu.

Recently I found that it is very easy to deploy orbeon.war and then undeploy it and play with it until it runs smoothly.

Cheers

--einar




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Re: Forms not saved

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Earl - I very recently figured our how to create and use Orbeon Forms, and I had to do so on both a Mac and a PC running Windows 7.  From reading the thread, my guess is that there is something fairly basic that you are doing wrong or interpreting incorrectly regarding the use of the Orbeon interface.

Are you located in the US?  If we can find a mutually agreeable time, I'd be willing to skype with you while you try to get it working and see if we can find the problem.   Studying tomcat at any level of depth shouldn't be necessary.

Ellen (in Atlanta)
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Morton, Earl D
Thank you, Ellen, for the very generous offer!

I seem to be in business now. I was pretty frustrated, so I just forgot about the whole matter for a little more than a week, just to let my mind settle. Then I deleted both Orbeon Forms and Tomcat completely from my computer, even the distribution files, and started over from scratch. This time around, I noticed a table in the Tomcat documentation that indicated which version of Java was required for each version of Tomcat, and realized that I had been using incompatible versions. So I got the right Tomcat version and installed it, and Orbeon is now working fine. Now I'm just exploring and figuring out how to use it.

Thanks!

Earl Morton

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From: ezegura [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:10 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Re: Forms not saved

Earl - I very recently figured our how to create and use Orbeon Forms, and I
had to do so on both a Mac and a PC running Windows 7.  From reading the
thread, my guess is that there is something fairly basic that you are doing
wrong or interpreting incorrectly regarding the use of the Orbeon interface.

Are you located in the US?  If we can find a mutually agreeable time, I'd be
willing to skype with you while you try to get it working and see if we can
find the problem.   Studying tomcat at any level of depth shouldn't be
necessary.

Ellen (in Atlanta)

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