yui rich text editor - extracss?

Hi all,

has anyone experience in modifying the yui rich text editor, especially
the css applied to the edit area?

The background is that i want to modify the yui RTE with a plugin and
some css rules. The plugin works so far, and regarding the css, i found
an example how to add a css file:

http://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/editor30/

I would prefer not to load another css file, but to modify the editor
maybe using the extracss property. But i didn't find a way to set the
extracss outside of the instantiation code for the yui RTE. Is it
possible to set rte's properties directly?

florian


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In xforms.js, check the "init" function in ORBEON.widgets.RTE. You  
could patch that code, as a start.

-Erik

On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Florian Schmitt wrote:
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Erik,

Erik Bruchez wrote

In xforms.js, check the "init" function in ORBEON.widgets.RTE. You  
could patch that code, as a start.

thank you for your reply - but in the meantime i found that the yui RTE is no option for me at all (it doesn't support paragraph tags instead of br, there's no way to insert content as plain text - as far as is see). Would it be possible to include the newest version of the fckeditor in 3.7? There's v. 2.6.3 available, the nightly builds contain 2.3.1.

florian

> thank you for your reply - but in the meantime i found that the yui  
> RTE is
> no option for me at all (it doesn't support paragraph tags instead  
> of br,
> there's no way to insert content as plain text - as far as is see).  
> Would it
> be possible to include the newest version of the fckeditor in 3.7?  
> There's
> v. 2.6.3 available, the nightly builds contain 2.3.1.

Sure, if you do the update and send a patch ;-)

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Hi,
i used the FCK Editor as well and updated it to 2.5.3 i think.
I asked if someone would be interested in that update, but noone answerd.
But concerning my other post from today, i'm afraid, using fck at the
moment leads to other problems,
i.e. none working xforms:dialogs :-(
I would like to use the FCK as well and maybe ould offer another update
the next weeks to v. 2.6.3,
but as long as the other problems are not solved, this is wasted time.

Sorry, please let me know afap when problems are fixed and i would love
to help with an fck update.
In the meantime i could send you my updated FCK 2.5 Version if you like
Florian

Regards, Marcus



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Hi Marcus,

> i used the FCK Editor as well and updated it to 2.5.3 i think.
> I asked if someone would be interested in that update, but noone answerd.

maybe i missed your posting... but in any case, i had to update it
myself because i use the fckeditor with a custom plugin, so i had to
re-package the orbeon-resources.public.jar myself...

> But concerning my other post from today, i'm afraid, using fck at the
> moment leads to other problems,
> i.e. none working xforms:dialogs :-(

i've seen your posting regarding that problem - my own app is based on
the 3.7.0beta1 actually, and with that beta, the dialogs are still
working, i think. The last nightly build that i tested was from the
mid of december, and IIRC the dialogs worked there, too. I will test a
recent nightly as soon as possbile, that would really be an annoying
bug IMHO. I don't know the reasons why the yui rte seems to be the
preferred editor component - maybe it's more light-weight, but it (the
yui rte) lacks a lot of features that are mandatory for me (support
for paragraphs, for example).

> In the meantime i could send you my updated FCK 2.5 Version if you like
> Florian

thanks a lot, but for my app, i have to adapt the jar for my needs
anyway, so it wouldn't help me much.

florian




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Florian,

On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Florian Schmitt wrote:

> I don't know the reasons why the yui rte seems to be the
> preferred editor component - maybe it's more light-weight,

Because the FCK editor doesn't always play very well with YUI, and it  
is generally harder to work with than the rest of the YUI code  
(including lack of documentation, lack of support in the FCK forum,  
and more complicated code).

> but it (the
> yui rte) lacks a lot of features that are mandatory for me (support
> for paragraphs, for example).

Are you saying that the RTE is generating <br/><br/> instead of <p>?

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Marcus,

On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Marcus wrote:

> i used the FCK Editor as well and updated it to 2.5.3 i think.
> I asked if someone would be interested in that update, but noone  
> answerd.
> But concerning my other post from today, i'm afraid, using fck at  
> the moment leads to other problems,
> i.e. none working xforms:dialogs :-(

Funnily – yes, sometimes we can be easily amused – I am aware of some  
issue with the RTE in dialogs, but not of the FCK editor in dialogs.  
Could we see something different because you are using a different  
version of the FCK editor? Can you reproduce this with a nightly  
build on which you haven't upgraded the FCK editor?

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Alessandro,

> Because the FCK editor doesn't always play very well with YUI, and it is
> generally harder to work with than the rest of the YUI code (including
> lack of documentation, lack of support in the FCK forum, and more
> complicated code).

ok, the code is in fact more complicated, but i found it much more
easy to add some plugins to the fckeditor than to the yui. And with
respect to the richness of features and config options, in my eyes the
fckeditor is superior to the yui, too.

Another example: with my orbeon-based app, users have to create and
edit texts strucutred only by html-markup besides strong-structured
form data. These texts could reach up to 10 or 12 paragraphs (<p>'s),
and the users don't have any idea what HTML or XML is. So they should
have a component behaving like the word processor software they know.
Of course, i could do this with repeat and up to 12 YUI RTEs, but
that's really no good solution. The user don't wants to edit one
paragraph at one time, he wants to write a complete abstract as one
piece without having to change editor windows for every <p>-

My users don't just enter own text, but copy and paste content from
MS-Word docs. So, with YUI, i would have to clean the instances from
all the rubbish WordML content that's silently copied, too (and that
wolud render my instances invalid...). Or i use a component that
allows to force the users just to c&p plain text. fck has a nice
solution for this (with a way to configure it at one central place),
saving a lot of time and programming effort.

So, it may be easier for a developer to embed the YUI RTE into a
system like Orbeon Forms, but for sure it would be a pain to the user
or the app developer to adapt that component for own needs.

>> but it (the
>> yui rte) lacks a lot of features that are mandatory for me (support
>> for paragraphs, for example).

> Are you saying that the RTE is generating <br/><br/> instead of <p>?

yes, AFAIK the YUI RTE doesn't generate <p>'s, and even worse, there
seems to be no way to configure it to produce <p>'s instead of <br>'s,
or to let the user decide (using simple [enter] or [shift]+[enter])
(there's a forum posting by the creator of the YUI RTE saying that
that component was never meant to support paragraphs, and there may be
some custom solutions but they didn't find their way into the main
code). I would be happy if i'm wrong regarding this point, because
it's the central (but not only) obstacle for me when thinking about
migration from fck to yui rte.

As XForms and XML are an ideal way to edit semi-structured data, and
as there are needs to edit parts of weak or unstructured text data, a
text editor component should provide the full set of text edit
options, and it should be easily to configure. Ideally, it should
behave as a word processing software regarding standard edit tasks,
like inserting a line break _or_ a new paragraph. Regarding yui rte
and fckeditor, IMHO only the fckeditor fulfills those needs.

florian


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Florian,

On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Florian Schmitt wrote:

> ok, the code is in fact more complicated, but i found it much more
> easy to add some plugins to the fckeditor than to the yui. And with
> respect to the richness of features and config options, in my eyes the
> fckeditor is superior to the yui, too.
> [...]

I understand. And this is why we will support both the YUI and FCK  
editor for a while. The RTE is relatively new, but well supported. So  
my hope is that the RTE will become richer, and that over time there  
will be less of those cases where one needs to use the FCK editor  
instead of the RTE editor. But don't worry, we have no plan to remove  
the code that supports the FCK editor in the foreseeable future.
What about posting a message in the YUI list explaining this (http://www.nabble.com/ydn-javascript-f16949.html 
). Of course, most likely the YUI team won't jump on it and implement  
what you need overnight, but the more request they get for a certain  
feature the more likely they are to implement it in the future. If you  
get to post a message there, could you also reply to this thread and  
include a link to the corresponding thread on the YUI list?

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Alessandro,

> But don't worry, we have no plan to remove the code that
> supports the FCK editor in the foreseeable future.

ah, that's good to hear :-)

> What about posting a message in the YUI list explaining this
> (http://www.nabble.com/ydn-javascript-f16949.html). Of course, most
> likely the YUI team won't jump on it and implement what you need
> overnight, but the more request they get for a certain feature the more
> likely they are to implement it in the future. If you get to post a
> message there, could you also reply to this thread and include a link to
> the corresponding thread on the YUI list?

good idea - i got an interesting response by Dav Glass, the developer
of the YUI rte, which sounds generally promising:

http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-rte%3A-paragraphs%2C-paste-as-plain-text-p21483427.html

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Florian,

On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Florian Schmitt wrote:

> good idea - i got an interesting response by Dav Glass, the developer
> of the YUI rte, which sounds generally promising:
>
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-rte%3A-paragraphs%2C-paste-as-plain-text-p21483427.html


So it looks like the RTE not generating paragraphs is "just" a bug.  
Good to hear.

And thanks for asking the question in the YUI list; so now you not  
only have to bug us to fix bugs, but also the YUI guys; life is hard! ;)

Alex
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