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Ryan Puddephatt

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

Dan & all,
The extension of the epilogue.xpl works excellent and is a simple and easy change, but what if we only want to make changes in xforms-epilogue.xpl, epilogue-servlet.xpl or epilogue-portal.xpl. I thought about this, and one solution I could see is to have a custom- xpl for this (e.g. custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl) that the user could override as they needed. Obviously each would have different inputs and outputs, but by default they would pass the page through with and oxf:identity and be in the one of the jars. If the user decides to override it, they don't have to worry about merging with future OF releases and the XPL will allow the user to do anything.

Whats everyone elses thoughts on this?

Ryan

Ryan Puddephatt
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Teleflex Group - IT UK
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Daniel E. Renfer wrote:

On 5/25/07, Alessandro Vernet <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Eric,

On 5/24/07, Eric van der Vlist <[hidden email]> wrote:
>       * From what I see of my needs right now, I'd better apply a theme
>         before the XForms processing. The good news is that this is easy
>         to do by calling the standard epilogue.xpl in a custom,
>         application specific, epilogue pipeline.

That's right: in your page-flow.xml, instead of calling directly
/config/epilogue.xpl, you can call your own XPL which then calls
/config/epilogue.xpl. For those who want to the do some processing
before XForms is transformed to XHTML (Marcus, are you reading this?),
this seems to be a better solution than modifying xforms-widget.xsl.

This is what I do in my own application and it works pretty well. I generate my standard XHTML+XForms page and then in my own epilogue I apply a stylesheet that adds all of my theme theme elements including new XForms models and XForms controls and then I pass it off to the standard epilogue for final processing. This adds a bit more overhead, which I haven't profiled, but it shouldn't be too much.

>       * Since I am doing so, I need to avoid applying any theme further
>         on in the epilogue and that could be done by the solution you
>         are proposing.

Right.

>       * OTH, I'd also like to activate the xpl:choose that serves XHTML
>         to client that support it (assuming that YUI does now support
>         XHTML which is something I need to double check) and that makes
>         another change I need to make to the standard epilogue. I have
>         noticed that doing so breaks the pages of the Orbeon Forms
>         documentation which raise well formed errors when they reach the
>         browser and this change needs also to be context dependent.

I haven't tested this, but from what I have seen in the YUI mailing
list, XHTML is not fully supported yet by YUI. Now it would be
interesting to see what doesn't work: maybe nothing does, or maybe
only some of the more esoteric functionalities aren't working.

I serve all of my pages as application/xhtml+xml to clients that support it and haven't noticed any major problems yet. (granted, I don't use any of the esoteric controls)

Alex
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As far as some of the configurable aspects of the epilogue I'd like to see, I would love to see the "assume some xhtml clients" path be available as a properties option.

I would also like to see a way to drop in support for new types without modifying the epilogue based on XPath tests. For instance, I had to add some code so Orbeon Forms would serve OpenSearch description documents with the proper media type. If there was a way I could store just that section of pipeline to a certain location or store all of the new types I need to add to a certain file then I could add in support without needing to merge changes when I update.

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Marcus-2

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

Hi,

that sounds like a very good version for supporting and making a custom epilogue very easy!

BTW some of you just wrote, that they use an own epilogue and connect from there to the standart, right?

Would anyone be so kind to send my such a custom-epilogue and tell me how to use it?

I'm afraid i'm someone who needs to look at some code to understand it - most of the time i'm lost with blank theories :-(

Regards, Marcus

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Subject: Re: [ops-users] Support for other themes in epilogue

Dan & all,
The extension of the epilogue.xpl works excellent and is a simple and easy change, but what if we only want to make changes in xforms-epilogue.xpl, epilogue-servlet.xpl or epilogue-portal.xpl. I thought about this, and one solution I could see is to have a custom- xpl for this (e.g. custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl) that the user could override as they needed. Obviously each would have different inputs and outputs, but by default they would pass the page through with and oxf:identity and be in the one of the jars. If the user decides to override it, they don't have to worry about merging with future OF releases and the XPL will allow the user to do anything.

Whats everyone elses thoughts on this?

Ryan

Ryan Puddephatt
Software Engineer

Teleflex Group - IT UK
1 Michaelson Square
Livingston
West Lothian
Scotland
EH54 7DP

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Daniel E. Renfer wrote:
On 5/25/07, Alessandro Vernet <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Eric,

On 5/24/07, Eric van der Vlist <[hidden email]> wrote:
>       * From what I see of my needs right now, I'd better apply a theme
>         before the XForms processing. The good news is that this is easy
>         to do by calling the standard epilogue.xpl in a custom,
>         application specific, epilogue pipeline.

That's right: in your page-flow.xml, instead of calling directly
/config/epilogue.xpl, you can call your own XPL which then calls
/config/epilogue.xpl. For those who want to the do some processing
before XForms is transformed to XHTML (Marcus, are you reading this?),
this seems to be a better solution than modifying xforms-widget.xsl.

This is what I do in my own application and it works pretty well. I generate my standard XHTML+XForms page and then in my own epilogue I apply a stylesheet that adds all of my theme theme elements including new XForms models and XForms controls and then I pass it off to the standard epilogue for final processing. This adds a bit more overhead, which I haven't profiled, but it shouldn't be too much.

>       * Since I am doing so, I need to avoid applying any theme further
>         on in the epilogue and that could be done by the solution you
>         are proposing.

Right.

>       * OTH, I'd also like to activate the xpl:choose that serves XHTML
>         to client that support it (assuming that YUI does now support
>         XHTML which is something I need to double check) and that makes
>         another change I need to make to the standard epilogue. I have
>         noticed that doing so breaks the pages of the Orbeon Forms
>         documentation which raise well formed errors when they reach the
>         browser and this change needs also to be context dependent.

I haven't tested this, but from what I have seen in the YUI mailing
list, XHTML is not fully supported yet by YUI. Now it would be
interesting to see what doesn't work: maybe nothing does, or maybe
only some of the more esoteric functionalities aren't working.

I serve all of my pages as application/xhtml+xml to clients that support it and haven't noticed any major problems yet. (granted, I don't use any of the esoteric controls)

Alex
--
Orbeon Forms - Web 2.0 Forms for the Enterprise
http://www.orbeon.com/

As far as some of the configurable aspects of the epilogue I'd like to see, I would love to see the "assume some xhtml clients" path be available as a properties option.

I would also like to see a way to drop in support for new types without modifying the epilogue based on XPath tests. For instance, I had to add some code so Orbeon Forms would serve OpenSearch description documents with the proper media type. If there was a way I could store just that section of pipeline to a certain location or store all of the new types I need to add to a certain file then I could add in support without needing to merge changes when I update.

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Alessandro Vernet

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

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In reply to this post by Daniel E. Renfer

On 6/3/07, Daniel E. Renfer <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I serve all of my pages as application/xhtml+xml to clients that support it
> and haven't noticed any major problems yet. (granted, I don't use any of the
> esoteric controls)

This is good to know.

> As far as some of the configurable aspects of the epilogue I'd like to see,
> I would love to see the "assume some xhtml clients" path be available as a
> properties option.

And this would serve XHTML to clients that support it, and plain old
HTML to other clients?

> I would also like to see a way to drop in support for new types without
> modifying the epilogue based on XPath tests. For instance, I had to add some
> code so Orbeon Forms would serve OpenSearch description documents with the
> proper media type. If there was a way I could store just that section of
> pipeline to a certain location or store all of the new types I need to add
> to a certain file then I could add in support without needing to merge
> changes when I update.

OK, I understand. We'll try to keep this in mind.

Alex
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Alessandro Vernet

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

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Ryan,

On 6/3/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The extension of the epilogue.xpl works excellent and is a simple and
> easy change, but what if we only want to make changes in
> xforms-epilogue.xpl, epilogue-servlet.xpl or epilogue-portal.xpl. I thought
> about this, and one solution I could see is to have a custom- xpl for this
> (e.g. custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl) that the user could override as they
> needed. Obviously each would have different inputs and outputs, but by
> default they would pass the page through with and oxf:identity and be in the
> one of the jars. If the user decides to override it, they don't have to
> worry about merging with future OF releases and the XPL will allow the user
> to do anything.

And when would this custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl be called? Would it be
called by the current epilogue before the data is fed to the XForms
server?

Alex
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Ryan Puddephatt

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

Alex,
I guess there could be two (looking at xforms-epilogue.xpl again). 1 for NG and 1 for 2.8 they would be the first processor in the the p:when/p:otherwise. In the NG custom it would have a data and instance input, the 2.8 would have an extra xforms-model input, both would have a data output, which would continue as normal in the XPL.

How does that sound?

Ryan

Alessandro Vernet wrote:

Ryan,

On 6/3/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:

The extension of the epilogue.xpl works excellent and is a simple and
easy change, but what if we only want to make changes in
xforms-epilogue.xpl, epilogue-servlet.xpl or epilogue-portal.xpl. I thought
about this, and one solution I could see is to have a custom- xpl for this
(e.g. custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl) that the user could override as they
needed. Obviously each would have different inputs and outputs, but by
default they would pass the page through with and oxf:identity and be in the
one of the jars. If the user decides to override it, they don't have to
worry about merging with future OF releases and the XPL will allow the user
to do anything.

And when would this custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl be called? Would it be
called by the current epilogue before the data is fed to the XForms
server?

Alex
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Alessandro Vernet

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Ryan,

On 6/4/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I guess there could be two (looking at xforms-epilogue.xpl again). 1
> for NG and 1 for 2.8 they would be the first processor in the the
> p:when/p:otherwise. In the NG custom it would have a data and instance
> input, the 2.8 would have an extra xforms-model input, both would have a
> data output, which would continue as normal in the XPL.
>
> How does that sound?

I like the idea. And we could do that same for the theme, i.e. running
an XPL that just runs the XSLT with theme-something.xsl instead of
using a property. This would cover Eric's user case, where he would
like to run a different theme stylesheet depending on the path.

We'll think a little more about this an post a follow-up here.

Alex
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Daniel E. Renfer

Re: Support for other themes in epilogue

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Marcus,

Here's my custom epilogue. As you can see, there's not much to it. I simply run a XSLT transform and then pass that off to the standard epilogue.

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On 6/4/07, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

that sounds like a very good version for supporting and making a custom epilogue very easy!

BTW some of you just wrote, that they use an own epilogue and connect from there to the standart, right?

Would anyone be so kind to send my such a custom-epilogue and tell me how to use it?

I'm afraid i'm someone who needs to look at some code to understand it - most of the time i'm lost with blank theories :-(

Regards, Marcus
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Subject: Re: [ops-users] Support for other themes in epilogue
Dan & all,
    The extension of the epilogue.xpl works excellent and is a simple and easy change, but what if we only want to make changes in xforms-epilogue.xpl, epilogue-servlet.xpl or epilogue-portal.xpl. I thought about this, and one solution I could see is to have a custom- xpl for this (e.g. custom-xforms-epilogue.xpl) that the user could override as they needed. Obviously each would have different inputs and outputs, but by default they would pass the page through with and oxf:identity and be in the one of the jars. If the user decides to override it, they don't have to worry about merging with future OF releases and the XPL will allow the user to do anything.

Whats everyone elses thoughts on this?

Ryan

Ryan Puddephatt
Software Engineer

Teleflex Group - IT UK
1 Michaelson Square
Livingston
West Lothian
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Daniel E. Renfer wrote:
On 5/25/07, Alessandro Vernet <<img style="border: medium none ; cursor: pointer;" title="send email to //avernet@orbeon.com/ via gmail" src="data:image/bmp;base64,Qk1GAgAAAAAAADYAAAAoAAAAEAAAAAsAAAABABgAAAAAABACAADEDgAAxA4AAAAAAAAAAAAAODjaODjap6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5ODjaODjaODjaODja4uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2FODjaODjaODjaODjap6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f5ODjaODjaODjaODja4uL%2Fp6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHygYHy%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f54uL%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f5trb%2FgYHyWlrpWlrpgYHytrb%2Fp6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FgYHyWlrpODjaODjaWlrpgYHytrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHyWlrpODjatrb%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHy%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHyWlrpODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHy%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODjagYHyWlrpODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHyODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjagYHyp6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5gYHyODjaODjaODja"> [hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Eric,

On 5/24/07, Eric van der Vlist <<img style="border: medium none ; cursor: pointer;" title="send email to //vdv@dyomedea.com/ via gmail" src="data:image/bmp;base64,Qk1GAgAAAAAAADYAAAAoAAAAEAAAAAsAAAABABgAAAAAABACAADEDgAAxA4AAAAAAAAAAAAAODjaODjap6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5ODjaODjaODjaODja4uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2FODjaODjaODjaODjap6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f5ODjaODjaODjaODja4uL%2Fp6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHygYHy%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f54uL%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F4uL%2Fp6f5trb%2FgYHyWlrpWlrpgYHytrb%2Fp6f54uL%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FgYHyWlrpODjaODjaWlrpgYHytrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHyWlrpODjatrb%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHy%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODja%2F%2F%2F%2FgYHyWlrpODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHy%2F%2F%2F%2FODjaODjaODjaODjagYHyWlrpODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaWlrpgYHyODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjatrb%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Ftrb%2FODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjaODjagYHyp6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5p6f5gYHyODjaODjaODja"> [hidden email]> wrote:
>       * From what I see of my needs right now, I'd better apply a theme
>         before the XForms processing. The good news is that this is easy
>         to do by calling the standard epilogue.xpl in a custom,
>         application specific, epilogue pipeline.

That's right: in your page-flow.xml, instead of calling directly
/config/epilogue.xpl, you can call your own XPL which then calls
/config/epilogue.xpl. For those who want to the do some processing
before XForms is transformed to XHTML (Marcus, are you reading this?),
this seems to be a better solution than modifying xforms-widget.xsl.

This is what I do in my own application and it works pretty well. I generate my standard XHTML+XForms page and then in my own epilogue I apply a stylesheet that adds all of my theme theme elements including new XForms models and XForms controls and then I pass it off to the standard epilogue for final processing. This adds a bit more overhead, which I haven't profiled, but it shouldn't be too much.

>       * Since I am doing so, I need to avoid applying any theme further
>         on in the epilogue and that could be done by the solution you
>         are proposing.

Right.

>       * OTH, I'd also like to activate the xpl:choose that serves XHTML
>         to client that support it (assuming that YUI does now support
>         XHTML which is something I need to double check) and that makes
>         another change I need to make to the standard epilogue. I have
>         noticed that doing so breaks the pages of the Orbeon Forms
>         documentation which raise well formed errors when they reach the
>         browser and this change needs also to be context dependent.

I haven't tested this, but from what I have seen in the YUI mailing
list, XHTML is not fully supported yet by YUI. Now it would be
interesting to see what doesn't work: maybe nothing does, or maybe
only some of the more esoteric functionalities aren't working.

I serve all of my pages as application/xhtml+xml to clients that support it and haven't noticed any major problems yet. (granted, I don't use any of the esoteric controls)

Alex
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As far as some of the configurable aspects of the epilogue I'd like to see, I would love to see the "assume some xhtml clients" path be available as a properties option.

I would also like to see a way to drop in support for new types without modifying the epilogue based on XPath tests. For instance, I had to add some code so Orbeon Forms would serve OpenSearch description documents with the proper media type. If there was a way I could store just that section of pipeline to a certain location or store all of the new types I need to add to a certain file then I could add in support without needing to merge changes when I update.

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