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Ryan Puddephatt
Hi,
    I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5 seconds sometimes a minute, any ideas why?

Thanks

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Re: Slow server response

Alessandro Vernet
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Hi Ryan,

I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
whole data to the iframe?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  Hi,
>      I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
> stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
> server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
> HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
> database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5 seconds
> sometimes a minute, any ideas why?
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Ryan
>
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>
>
>  Ryan Puddephatt
>  Software Engineer
>
>  Teleflex Group - IT UK
>  1 Michaelson Square
>  Livingston
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Re: Slow server response

Ryan Puddephatt
Alex,
    Sorry bad explaination. The xforms:submission is in the parent page, it is a replace="instance" where the result is <no-results/> or <results>n</results> where n is a count of the records.

The Iframe is refreshed using xxforms:script, this calls an XPL which gets the data out of the session and creates straight HTML.

Thanks

Ryan

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Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Hi Ryan,

I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
whole data to the iframe?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:

 Hi,
     I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5 seconds
sometimes a minute, any ideas why?

 Thanks

 Ryan

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Re: Slow server response

Alessandro Vernet
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Ryan,

And with this, when does the 5 second delay comes into the picture?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  Alex,
>      Sorry bad explaination. The xforms:submission is in the parent page, it
> is a replace="instance" where the result is <no-results/> or
> <results>n</results> where n is a count of the records.
>
>  The Iframe is refreshed using xxforms:script, this calls an XPL which gets
> the data out of the session and creates straight HTML.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Ryan
>
>
>
>
>  Ryan Puddephatt
>  Software Engineer
>
>  Teleflex Group - IT UK
>  1 Michaelson Square
>  Livingston
>  West Lothian
>  Scotland
>  EH54 7DP
>
>  e> [hidden email]
>  t> +44(0)1506 407 110
>  f> +44(0)1506 407 108
>  w> www.teleflex.com
>
>
>  Alessandro Vernet wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
>  I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
>  the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
>  response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
>  that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
>  starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
>  whole data to the iframe?
>
>  Alex
>
>  On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>   Hi,
>       I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
>  stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
>  server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
>  HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
>  database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5
> seconds
>  sometimes a minute, any ideas why?
>
>   Thanks
>
>   Ryan
>
>  --
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>
>
>   Ryan Puddephatt
>   Software Engineer
>
>   Teleflex Group - IT UK
>   1 Michaelson Square
>   Livingston
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>   Scotland
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Re: Slow server response

Ryan Puddephatt
Between the server finishing its request, Log4J even output /search finished

and the client getting its AJAX XML Response and removing the Loading Indicator.

Not sure what OF is doing in this time?

Ryan

Ryan Puddephatt
Software Engineer
 
Teleflex Group - IT UK
1 Michaelson Square
Livingston
West Lothian
Scotland
EH54 7DP
 
e> [hidden email]
t> +44(0)1506 407 110
f> +44(0)1506 407 108
w> www.teleflex.com



Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Ryan,

And with this, when does the 5 second delay comes into the picture?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:

 Alex,
     Sorry bad explaination. The xforms:submission is in the parent page, it
is a replace="instance" where the result is <no-results/> or
<results>n</results> where n is a count of the records.

 The Iframe is refreshed using xxforms:script, this calls an XPL which gets
the data out of the session and creates straight HTML.

 Thanks

 Ryan




 Ryan Puddephatt
 Software Engineer

 Teleflex Group - IT UK
 1 Michaelson Square
 Livingston
 West Lothian
 Scotland
 EH54 7DP

 e> [hidden email]
 t> +44(0)1506 407 110
 f> +44(0)1506 407 108
 w> www.teleflex.com


 Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Hi Ryan,

 I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
 the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
 response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
 that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
 starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
 whole data to the iframe?

 Alex

 On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:


  Hi,
      I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
 stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
 server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
 HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
 database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5
seconds
 sometimes a minute, any ideas why?

  Thanks

  Ryan

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  Scotland
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Re: Slow server response

Alessandro Vernet
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Ryan,

The request you are talking about is the Ajax request for the
submission replace="instance"? So you are saying the request is done,
but the loading indicator stays for a few seconds after that? Or are
you talking about the request to the database?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  Between the server finishing its request, Log4J even output /search
> finished
>
>  and the client getting its AJAX XML Response and removing the Loading
> Indicator.
>
>  Not sure what OF is doing in this time?
>
>
>  Ryan
>
>
>
>
>  Ryan Puddephatt
>  Software Engineer
>
>  Teleflex Group - IT UK
>  1 Michaelson Square
>  Livingston
>  West Lothian
>  Scotland
>  EH54 7DP
>
>  e> [hidden email]
>  t> +44(0)1506 407 110
>  f> +44(0)1506 407 108
>  w> www.teleflex.com
>
>
>  Alessandro Vernet wrote:
> Ryan,
>
>  And with this, when does the 5 second delay comes into the picture?
>
>  Alex
>
>  On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>   Alex,
>       Sorry bad explaination. The xforms:submission is in the parent page,
> it
>  is a replace="instance" where the result is <no-results/> or
>  <results>n</results> where n is a count of the records.
>
>   The Iframe is refreshed using xxforms:script, this calls an XPL which gets
>  the data out of the session and creates straight HTML.
>
>   Thanks
>
>   Ryan
>
>
>
>
>   Ryan Puddephatt
>   Software Engineer
>
>   Teleflex Group - IT UK
>   1 Michaelson Square
>   Livingston
>   West Lothian
>   Scotland
>   EH54 7DP
>
>   e> [hidden email]
>   t> +44(0)1506 407 110
>   f> +44(0)1506 407 108
>   w> www.teleflex.com
>
>
>   Alessandro Vernet wrote:
>  Hi Ryan,
>
>   I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
>   the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
>   response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
>   that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
>   starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
>   whole data to the iframe?
>
>   Alex
>
>   On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>    Hi,
>        I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
>   stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
>   server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
>   HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
>   database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5
>  seconds
>   sometimes a minute, any ideas why?
>
>    Thanks
>
>    Ryan
>
>   --
>
>
>
>    Ryan Puddephatt
>    Software Engineer
>
>    Teleflex Group - IT UK
>    1 Michaelson Square
>    Livingston
>    West Lothian
>    Scotland
>    EH54 7DP
>
>    e> [hidden email]
>    t> +44(0)1506 407 110
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Re: Slow server response

Ryan Puddephatt
Alex,
    Its the AJAX Request, the logging shows the /xforms-server request is complete, but there is a wait between then and the AJAX response completing, even though its one element

Ryan

Ryan Puddephatt
Software Engineer
 
Teleflex Group - IT UK
1 Michaelson Square
Livingston
West Lothian
Scotland
EH54 7DP
 
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t> +44(0)1506 407 110
f> +44(0)1506 407 108
w> www.teleflex.com



Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Ryan,

The request you are talking about is the Ajax request for the
submission replace="instance"? So you are saying the request is done,
but the loading indicator stays for a few seconds after that? Or are
you talking about the request to the database?

Alex

On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:

 Between the server finishing its request, Log4J even output /search
finished

 and the client getting its AJAX XML Response and removing the Loading
Indicator.

 Not sure what OF is doing in this time?


 Ryan




 Ryan Puddephatt
 Software Engineer

 Teleflex Group - IT UK
 1 Michaelson Square
 Livingston
 West Lothian
 Scotland
 EH54 7DP

 e> [hidden email]
 t> +44(0)1506 407 110
 f> +44(0)1506 407 108
 w> www.teleflex.com


 Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Ryan,

 And with this, when does the 5 second delay comes into the picture?

 Alex

 On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:


  Alex,
      Sorry bad explaination. The xforms:submission is in the parent page,
it
 is a replace="instance" where the result is <no-results/> or
 <results>n</results> where n is a count of the records.

  The Iframe is refreshed using xxforms:script, this calls an XPL which gets
 the data out of the session and creates straight HTML.

  Thanks

  Ryan




  Ryan Puddephatt
  Software Engineer

  Teleflex Group - IT UK
  1 Michaelson Square
  Livingston
  West Lothian
  Scotland
  EH54 7DP

  e> [hidden email]
  t> +44(0)1506 407 110
  f> +44(0)1506 407 108
  w> www.teleflex.com


  Alessandro Vernet wrote:
 Hi Ryan,

  I understand the part where the XPL get a large amount of data from
  the database and stores it in the session, but I don't get the "small
  response back to the server for storing in an instance". Who request
  that response? Is it over HTTP? Is it the iframe loading a URL which
  starts the XPL you are talking about but the XPL does not return the
  whole data to the iframe?

  Alex

  On 3/13/07, Ryan Puddephatt [hidden email] wrote:


   Hi,
       I have an XPL which returns a large amount of database results and
  stores them in a session variable. I send a small response back to the
  server for storing in an instance. The server response is converted into
  HTML and loaded through an IFrame, but between the server completing the
  database results and returning to the page there is a wait of over 5
 seconds
  sometimes a minute, any ideas why?

   Thanks

   Ryan

  --



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   Software Engineer

   Teleflex Group - IT UK
   1 Michaelson Square
   Livingston
   West Lothian
   Scotland
   EH54 7DP

   e> [hidden email]
   t> +44(0)1506 407 110
   f> +44(0)1506 407 108
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Re: Slow server response

Alessandro Vernet
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Hi Ryan,

>      Its the AJAX Request, the logging shows the /xforms-server request is
> complete, but there is a wait between then and the AJAX response completing,
> even though its one element

Could it be the case that the Ajax response comes back with
instructions for the browser to run, and that running those takes a
long time? Do you see the CPU on the client side being used heavily
while the response is being processed?

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Re: Slow server response

Ryan Puddephatt
Alex,
    It does rise, but its difficult to tell whether this is the server or client as they are the same, I'll have to try it again once its deployed. I have removed some xforms:outputs and xforms:groups from the page, and it isn't quite as slow any more, so it probably was the client handling this.

Thanks

Ryan

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Alessandro Vernet wrote:
Hi Ryan,

     Its the AJAX Request, the logging shows the /xforms-server request is
complete, but there is a wait between then and the AJAX response completing,
even though its one element

Could it be the case that the Ajax response comes back with
instructions for the browser to run, and that running those takes a
long time? Do you see the CPU on the client side being used heavily
while the response is being processed?

Alex

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Re: Slow server response

Alessandro Vernet
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Ryan,

On 3/22/07, Ryan Puddephatt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>      It does rise, but its difficult to tell whether this is the server or
> client as they are the same, I'll have to try it again once its deployed. I
> have removed some xforms:outputs and xforms:groups from the page, and it
> isn't quite as slow any more, so it probably was the client handling this.

Yes, this is likely to be a client issue. If you get this type of
delay again and it looks to you that the processing the client should
to is not that complex, it would be worth looking at the Ajax
response. There are cases where the modifications that needs to be
done to the page as a result of that Ajax response just take time, but
there are other cases where the processing of the Ajax response in
JavaScript is not that efficient and those cases can be optimized.

Alex
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