Problems Upgrading to 3.6 and the new included eXist-Version

Hi,
some of you might remeber me. At least i'm still working at the university
now and so i was asked to update my exams project to the new versions,
because in hope of better performance issues.

I have some problems when upgrading to the latest Version 3.6.
I followed the instructions on the homepage, i copied the new orbeon_xxx.jar
to the lib, deletet the old ones and cause i saw there was a new version of
exist included, i updated that one too.

But when i start my Tomcat it hangs up itself :-(
From the catalina-log file i got those errors in the end:

INFO: Deploying web application archive orbeon.war
16.01.2008 02:26:58 org.quartz.simpl.SimpleThreadPool initialize
INFO: Job execution threads will use class loader of thread: Thread-1
16.01.2008 02:26:58 org.quartz.core.QuartzScheduler <init>
INFO: Quartz Scheduler v.1.6.0 created.
16.01.2008 02:26:58 org.quartz.simpl.RAMJobStore initialize
INFO: RAMJobStore initialized.
16.01.2008 02:26:58 org.quartz.impl.StdSchedulerFactory instantiate
INFO: Quartz scheduler 'DefaultQuartzScheduler' initialized from an
externally provided properties instance.
16.01.2008 02:26:58 org.quartz.impl.StdSchedulerFactory instantiate
INFO: Quartz scheduler version: 1.6.0
16.01.2008 02:27:01 org.quartz.core.QuartzScheduler start
INFO: Scheduler DefaultQuartzScheduler_$_NON_CLUSTERED started.
16.01.2008 02:27:19 org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
validateJarFile
INFO: validateJarFile(C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\lib\javax.servlet-1.4.jar) - jar not loaded. See
Servlet Spec 2.3, section 9.7.2. Offending class:
javax/servlet/Servlet.class
16.01.2008 02:27:19 org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
validateJarFile
INFO: validateJarFile(C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\lib\javax.servlet.jar) - jar not loaded. See
Servlet Spec 2.3, section 9.7.2. Offending class:
javax/servlet/Servlet.class


And from the stdOut i get:
--------------------------
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck


OK, i heard about that exist must creat all data new with a new version, but
after i delete every file inside the "exist-data"-dir, the same error
message appears again :-(  Did i do something wrong? Did i missed something?

Perhaps more information about the exact exist version would be helpful. And
while i included the exist.jnlp web-client in the past, it would be great to
get a full paket of that exist-version, so i can copy all additional files i
need out of that. And just to mention it now - i'm sorry, but i tried to
extract some subversions of exist in the past and that never worked for me
:-(( So please, offer me another option that download any svn from the
exist-project :-(( Thanxs in advance!

Hope that someone has some great ideas to find an easy fix for my problems!
Best regards, Marcus



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Hi Marcus,

On Jan 15, 2008 6:03 PM, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
> some of you might remeber me.

Of course, I do; welcome back :).

> I have some problems when upgrading to the latest Version 3.6.
> I followed the instructions on the homepage, i copied the new orbeon_xxx.jar
> to the lib, deletet the old ones and cause i saw there was a new version of
> exist included, i updated that one too.

If you are upgrading from a previous version of Orbeon Forms, you will
need to update all the jars, not just the orbeon*.jar. You might be OK
just updating the orbeon*.jar if you are just getting a new nightly
build, as it is less likely for the other jar files to have changed. I
think this could just explain the problems you are having.

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hi Alex,

> Of course, I do; welcome back :).
Thanxs

> If you are upgrading from a previous version of Orbeon Forms, you will
> need to update all the jars, not just the orbeon*.jar. You might be OK
> just updating the orbeon*.jar if you are just getting a new nightly
> build, as it is less likely for the other jar files to have changed. I
> think this could just explain the problems you are having.

I'm afraid that doesn't explain my problems. Normaly i test all other jars
and add new ones or delete old ones i don't need anymore. But the point is,
that the eXist-DB is causing and endless loop and hangs up my whole tomcat
:-(

Especially for my needs, that was the reason i need to get the included
exist-version as a whole project to extract the needed files and to update
those exist-file i added by myself to get the exist-web-client to work! I
also have to sign those files, so that the applet will load over the browser
from the net.

So, on the one hand i urgent need the exist-files and i hope after thaqt, my
problems are solved.
Best regards,
Marcus

PS: Sorry, that i sent that request yesterday 2 times :-( You can ignore the
other one. I just forgot to change to my registert email-adress. Thanxs



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Hi,

sorry if i have to ask again, but can someone give me the latest included
exist-version?
Best would be, if i could download the whole project from somewhere!? Is
that possible?
I hope you guys can provide a download for your included exist-version -
can't you?
That would be great before the weekend.

Thanks a lot, Marcus



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Marcus,

On Jan 17, 2008 2:49 AM, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
> sorry if i have to ask again, but can someone give me the latest included
> exist-version?
> Best would be, if i could download the whole project from somewhere!? Is
> that possible?
> I hope you guys can provide a download for your included exist-version -
> can't you?

Just checking: you have this issue because you are trying to upgrade
eXist yourself; is that right? We had to do a few changes to eXist for
eXist to work out of the box with Orbeon Forms. The version we are
using now in the nightly builds is a pre-1.2 version, which is very
close to the 1.2 that was just released. That pre-1.2 version doesn't
work for you? Or do you need to have your own eXist just because you
need to sign some jars? Can't you sign those additional jars and keep
the one we have in place?

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HI,
anything new on this?
Would be nice!

Wish you a nice weekend,
regards, Marcus



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Marcus,

On Jan 18, 2008 12:12 PM, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
> anything new on this?
> Would be nice!
>
> Wish you a nice weekend,

Did you get my response to your last message in this thread? See:

http://www.nabble.com/Problems-Upgrading-to-3.6-and-the-new-included-eXist-Version-to14859526.html#a14959941

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Hi Alex,

no, i didn't recieved your last answer :-(

>Just checking: you have this issue because you are trying to upgrade
>eXist yourself; is that right?
No, i just updated the whole Orbeon 3.6 with your version of exist - but
than i got those error messages and my tomcat hangs up in an endless loop
:-(

>We had to do a few changes to eXist for
>eXist to work out of the box with Orbeon Forms. The version we are
>using now in the nightly builds is a pre-1.2 version, which is very
>close to the 1.2 that was just released. That pre-1.2 version doesn't
>work for you?
Actually i would include your version of exist, as it works with orbeon, but
the problem is indeed, that i need additional jars from exist.war to get the
exist-web-client working, and also that i works together with the security
filter!
To enable the web-client i need signed jars, so that someone could start it
over the internet - otherwise you will get error messages, that you try to
load unsave and unsigned jars :-(

>Or do you need to have your own eXist just because you
>need to sign some jars? Can't you sign those additional jars and keep
>the one we have in place?
Ok, to make it clear:
Step 1: Update all orbeon files and check all other jars for newer versions
Step 2: Update exist to the orboen inclueded one - so that the main
application should work
Step 3: Copy the needed additional jars from exist to my own libs, unsign
the exist files inclueded with orboen and than sign all needed jars from
exist again, cause they all need to have the same signing!

1: Actually my app works with all new orbeon files and i have better
performance now.
2. When i update the exist files - my app crashes the whole tomcat :-(
3: ??? i couldn't test yet

Hope that answers your questions :-)
What changes did you have to made to get the newer version of exist work
with orbeon?

Regards, Marcus



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Marcus,

On Jan 19, 2008 3:15 PM, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote: We will eventually document how to upgrade eXist yourself, which will
require you to make some changes to eXist and recompile it. But for
now why not deploy the eXist version you want in a separate web app?
You could serve the signed client from that separate web app, and
connect with that client to the eXist that comes with Orbeon Forms.

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Hi Alex,
don't know if missunderstood me, but Step3 is another Problem!
First thing i have to solve is to get my webapp work again WITH the exist
version that comes acutally included with Orbeon 3.6! That is the point
where my app crashes tomcat with the never ending loop. I tried to make that
clear!!!
For Step 3 it would be nice to get your fully new configured and recompiled
exist version - but at the moment we try to solve Step2 right?

Regards, Marcus


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Marcus,

> don't know if missunderstood me, but Step3 is another Problem!

Sorry, my little brain must have some trouble with dealing with 2
problems in one single thread :).

> First thing i have to solve is to get my webapp work again WITH the exist
> version that comes acutally included with Orbeon 3.6! That is the point
> where my app crashes tomcat with the never ending loop. I tried to make that
> clear!!!

OK, so let's focus on that issue. So we are in the case where you
don't modify any of the jar that comes with Orbeon Forms. What do you
mean by "crashing Tomcat"? Can you create a test case for this that
runs in the sandbox? As you know, this is the best way to report a
problem here so people can reproduce the issue you have as quickly as
possible with a minimum number of changes needed to Orbeon Forms:

http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/home-faq#reporting-issues

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Hi Alex,
ok, let me try it again :-)
I can't give you an example that might work for the sandbox, because EXIST
seems to be the problem here!!!
For my application, as you might remember, i needed many additional jars - i
updated the FCK and activated some additional features, i included the
securityFilter and wrote an own realm to get it work together with exist and
modified some simple standards from orbeon. This all should be NO problem at
all.
OK, back to my first mail in this thread - i have two scenarios:

Case1:
-------
I update all but exist jars to the latest version of yours! ALL BUT EXIST,
ok?
So, i get my application to work with your new orbeon together with all
other features, AND my old own exist! No problems modify the theme-templates
and css files and adding my own menu-template.

Case2:
-------
I update all jars, including YOUR exist in my app, when i start tomcat
again, it hangs up and crashes, because my app leeds to a neverending loop,
having probles with exist! And here it doesn't matter if i keep my old
exist-datatbase-files or if i start with an empty exist-data folder. it is
always the same issue:

File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
File lock last access timestamp: 16.01.2008 C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck
Found a stale lockfile. Trying to remove it:  C:\Program Files\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\kkbib\WEB-INF\exist-data\dbx_dir.lck

It tries to creat new database-files himself, creats a lock-file and than
hanging up!
ONLY WHEN WORKING WITH YOUR LATEST EXIST-Version!

So, that is the only case i can discribe you. Other way would be to give you
my whole application to test yourself if you want. But with all jars that
would be around 70MB.

After all i think, i could find a way if i would have the whole exist.war
package that you created. So may i ask ones again, if you could give my a
possibility to download it anywhere? Or should i try together with the
latest realese of exist myself and keep you out of that? Because i think we
are talking in circles since last week and there is no forthcoming at the
moment, allthough you have much patients with me :-(
So, on the one hand IT IS an exist-problem, there seems to be no other way,
but on the other hand, it is your! version that you recoded, so you might
know why!?

Sorry that i can't tell you anything realy new and just keep repeating what
i write since one week :-(

Best regards, Marcus


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Marcus,

On Jan 22, 2008 2:33 PM, Marcus Ziegelmeier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Case1:
> -------
> I update all but exist jars to the latest version of yours! ALL BUT EXIST,
> ok?
> So, i get my application to work with your new orbeon together with all
> other features, AND my old own exist! No problems modify the theme-templates
> and css files and adding my own menu-template.

Since case 1 seems to be working and case 2 doesn't, is there any
reason why you wouldn't want to stay with case 1 (i.e. use your eXist
jars)?
Sorry, I have no insight on this. Trying to debug this type of custom
scenarios falls beyond what we can do on the community mailing list.
You might want to ask the question on the eXist list.

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Hi Alex,

i want to use case 2 instead of case 1, because we are handling about 20.000
very big datasets. that might not sound so much, but it is! the system runs
slower while we were using about 500 and so we wanted to use the "new" exist
also for better performance issues! Thats why i only can ask ones more:
COULD YOU PROVIDE ME YOUR FULL EXIST COPY; THAT YOU HAD RECOMPILED?????
You NEVER answered That Question in all my mails and i'M not asking this for
the first time :-(( Sorry

Thanks in advance,
regards, MArcus


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Marcus,

On Jan 23, 2008 11:14 PM, Marcus Ziegelmeier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> i want to use case 2 instead of case 1, because we are handling about 20.000
> very big datasets. that might not sound so much, but it is! the system runs
> slower while we were using about 500 and so we wanted to use the "new" exist
> also for better performance issues! Thats why i only can ask ones more:
> COULD YOU PROVIDE ME YOUR FULL EXIST COPY; THAT YOU HAD RECOMPILED?????
> You NEVER answered That Question in all my mails and i'M not asking this for
> the first time :-(( Sorry

If you want to patch eXist yourself to replace the version shipped
with Orbeon Forms, you can do so with the script below, that we are
using here so semi-automate this procedure.

http://cvs.forge.objectweb.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ops/orbeon/patch_exist.sh

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Hi Alex,
my PC Crashed for over one week, so i don't know if that was the latest
response.
I can try to fix exist myself, but at least i hoped to get just your full
version of exist, so that i don't need to fix it myself. But ok, don't wanna
waist your time with that problem.
Sorry.

Best regards and thanks for the script.
Marcus


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