Orbeon 3.7.2 ?
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Hello,
I noticed on the orbeon blog in december 2009 (http://blog.orbeon.com/2009/12/state-of-orbeon-forms-part-7.html) that orbeon 3.7.2 was almost ready. Now we use orbeon 3.5.1 and we would like to migrate to the lastest version. So, when do you think that the version 3.7.2 will be available ? Thank you. Julien |
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Hi Julien,
I was hoping that nobody would ask! ;) Seriously, I apologize about this. We got caught up in doing other improvements, and didn't get to do the release yet. The good part, is that you'll get more improvements in the release when it comes out. We now have 3 issues we want to take care of before we do the release, and none of them is rocket science. We'll do our best to have a release out soon, but I don't want to promise any date at this point. Alex On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:28 AM, ricetrac <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I noticed on the orbeon blog in december 2009 > (http://blog.orbeon.com/2009/12/state-of-orbeon-forms-part-7.html) that > orbeon 3.7.2 was almost ready. > > Now we use orbeon 3.5.1 and we would like to migrate to the lastest version. > So, when do you think that the version 3.7.2 will be available ? > > Thank you. > > Julien > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Orbeon-3-7-2-tp1415236p1415236.html > Sent from the ObjectWeb OPS - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws
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Alessandro Vernet pisze
> We now have 3 issues we > want to take care of before we do the release, and none of them is > rocket science. > Hi, I know that there might be many more important issues, but would be possible that you take care of this one: http://forge.ow2.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=314456&group_id=168&atid=350207 ? Although the example I provided looks a bit silly, the improper bind recalculation make many correct form runs incorrectly in Orbeon. Best regards, -- Maciej Arciuch programista tel. +48 22 564 2482 -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
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OK, thank you for your response.
I think we will begin with the 3.7.1, and I hope that will be not too difficult to migrate to the 3.7.2. |
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Maciej,
Sorry, but I think it is unlikely that we'll be able to take care of this before the release. Maybe we never hit this is that we rarely use the "bind" attribute on controls, and as you've noted it works find if you put that expression into a ref="..." but doesn't if you go through a bind. Alex On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Maciej Arciuch <[hidden email]> wrote: > Alessandro Vernet pisze >> >> We now have 3 issues we >> want to take care of before we do the release, and none of them is >> rocket science. > > Hi, > I know that there might be many more important issues, but would be possible > that you take care of this one: > http://forge.ow2.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=314456&group_id=168&atid=350207 > ? Although the example I provided looks a bit silly, the improper bind > recalculation make many correct form runs incorrectly in Orbeon. Best > regards, > -- > Maciej Arciuch > programista > tel. +48 22 564 2482 > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing > list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws
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Or you can use nightly builds, which at this point are quite stable.
Alex On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM, ricetrac <[hidden email]> wrote: > > OK, thank you for your response. > I think we will begin with the 3.7.1, and I hope that will be not too > difficult to migrate to the 3.7.2. > -- > View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Orbeon-3-7-2-tp1415236p1457339.html > Sent from the ObjectWeb OPS - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws
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And the 3 issues you want to take care of before the release ? ;)) Julien -----Message d'origine----- De : Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]] Envoyé : vendredi 5 février 2010 08:09 À : [hidden email] Objet : [ops-users] Re: Re: Orbeon 3.7.2 ? Or you can use nightly builds, which at this point are quite stable. Alex On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM, ricetrac <[hidden email]> wrote: > > OK, thank you for your response. > I think we will begin with the 3.7.1, and I hope that will be not too > difficult to migrate to the 3.7.2. > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Orbeon-3-7-2-tp1415236p1457339.html > Sent from the ObjectWeb OPS - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet Please help Logica to respect the environment by not printing this email / Pour contribuer comme Logica au respect de l'environnement, merci de ne pas imprimer ce mail / Bitte drucken Sie diese Nachricht nicht aus und helfen Sie so Logica dabei, die Umwelt zu schützen. / Por favor ajude a Logica a respeitar o ambiente nao imprimindo este correio electronico. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
Re: RE: Re: Re: Orbeon 3.7.2 ?
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Julien,
My feeling are that you most likely won't be impacted by those, but we would feel very bad releasing with those in :). See for yourself, sorting the following by descending priority to see the P9 issues: http://forge.ow2.org/tracker/index.php?group_id=168&atid=350207 Alex On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Bittard, Julien <[hidden email]> wrote: > > And the 3 issues you want to take care of before the release ? ;)) > > Julien > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]] > Envoyé : vendredi 5 février 2010 08:09 > À : [hidden email] > Objet : [ops-users] Re: Re: Orbeon 3.7.2 ? > > Or you can use nightly builds, which at this point are quite stable. > > Alex > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM, ricetrac <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> OK, thank you for your response. >> I think we will begin with the 3.7.1, and I hope that will be not too >> difficult to migrate to the 3.7.2. >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/Orbeon-3-7-2-tp1415236p1457339.html >> Sent from the ObjectWeb OPS - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> -- >> You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] >> For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help >> OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws >> >> > > > > -- > Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet > > Please help Logica to respect the environment by not printing this email / Pour contribuer comme Logica au respect de l'environnement, merci de ne pas imprimer ce mail / Bitte drucken Sie diese Nachricht nicht aus und helfen Sie so Logica dabei, die Umwelt zu schützen. / Por favor ajude a Logica a respeitar o ambiente nao imprimindo este correio electronico. > > > > This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. > > > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws
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Yes you're right .
I think that nightly builds is a good idea. julien -----Message d'origine----- De : Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]] Envoyé : vendredi 5 février 2010 19:50 À : [hidden email] Objet : [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Re: Orbeon 3.7.2 ? Julien, My feeling are that you most likely won't be impacted by those, but we would feel very bad releasing with those in :). See for yourself, sorting the following by descending priority to see the P9 issues: http://forge.ow2.org/tracker/index.php?group_id=168&atid=350207 Alex On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Bittard, Julien <[hidden email]> wrote: > > And the 3 issues you want to take care of before the release ? ;)) > > Julien > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]] Envoyé : vendredi 5 > février 2010 08:09 À : [hidden email] Objet : [ops-users] Re: Re: > Orbeon 3.7.2 ? > > Or you can use nightly builds, which at this point are quite stable. > > Alex > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM, ricetrac <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> OK, thank you for your response. >> I think we will begin with the 3.7.1, and I hope that will be not too >> difficult to migrate to the 3.7.2. >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/Orbeon-3-7-2-tp1415236p1457339.html >> Sent from the ObjectWeb OPS - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> -- >> You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] >> For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help >> OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws >> >> > > > > -- > Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's > Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: > http://twitter.com/avernet > > Please help Logica to respect the environment by not printing this email / Pour contribuer comme Logica au respect de l'environnement, merci de ne pas imprimer ce mail / Bitte drucken Sie diese Nachricht nicht aus und helfen Sie so Logica dabei, die Umwelt zu schützen. / Por favor ajude a Logica a respeitar o ambiente nao imprimindo este correio electronico. > > > > This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. > > > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web forms, open-source, for the Enterprise Orbeon's Blog: http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ My Twitter: http://twitter.com/avernet Please help Logica to respect the environment by not printing this email / Pour contribuer comme Logica au respect de l'environnement, merci de ne pas imprimer ce mail / Bitte drucken Sie diese Nachricht nicht aus und helfen Sie so Logica dabei, die Umwelt zu schützen. / Por favor ajude a Logica a respeitar o ambiente nao imprimindo este correio electronico. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
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Maciej,
That bug is an interesting one. There is a difference between using @bind and @ref. The reason is that XForms 1.1 says: "XForms Actions that change only the value of an instance node results in setting the deferred update flags for recalculate, revalidate, and refresh to true and making no change to the deferred update flag for rebuild for the model over which they operate. The XForms Actions in this category are: setvalue setindex" and: "Form controls that write simpleContent to instance data must do so exactly as defined by the XForms Action setvalue" So what happens when you change the value of the select1 in the UI is that a setvalue is done on the data. This does NOT cause a rebuild, so the bind node-sets don't reevaluate. However, the UI bindings do reevaluate during refresh. Since we don't have a dependency mechanism between the UI and the model, we reevaluate all the bindings. XForms 1.1 says: "All UI Expressions are reevaluated (implementations may optimize this operation but must behave as if all UI Expressions are reevaluated)" So there you go, you have a discrepancy between the two scenarios. We could fix this bug simply by causing a rebuild, as that would be against the spec. But that could also be costly at runtime as even more XPath expressions would be computed. I think it would be better to have an actual smart dependency algorithm catching this kind of dependencies. Then things would run much more smoothly. In your case, you could force a rebuild with the xforms:rebuild action. The bottom line is that, as per XForms 1.1, this is not a bug. Arguably, it is an XForms specification bug though. -Erik On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Maciej Arciuch <[hidden email]> wrote: > Alessandro Vernet pisze >> >> We now have 3 issues we >> want to take care of before we do the release, and none of them is >> rocket science. > > Hi, > I know that there might be many more important issues, but would be possible > that you take care of this one: > http://forge.ow2.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=314456&group_id=168&atid=350207 > ? Although the example I provided looks a bit silly, the improper bind > recalculation make many correct form runs incorrectly in Orbeon. Best > regards, > -- > Maciej Arciuch > programista > tel. +48 22 564 2482 > > > -- > You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing > list. > To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] > For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help > OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws > > -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
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Erik Bruchez pisze:
> The bottom line is that, as per XForms 1.1, this is not a bug. > Arguably, it is an XForms specification bug though. > Thanks for a profound explanation. As far as I remember things worked "correctly" in Orbeon 3.6.0. I guess it targeted XForms 1.0 - has the specification as regards this topic changed since version 1.0? Anyway, thanks once more for your concern, best wishes, -- Maciej Arciuch programista tel. +48 22 564 2482 -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Maciej Arciuch
<[hidden email]> wrote: > Erik Bruchez pisze: >> >> The bottom line is that, as per XForms 1.1, this is not a bug. >> Arguably, it is an XForms specification bug though. >> > > Thanks for a profound explanation. As far as I remember things worked > "correctly" in Orbeon 3.6.0. I guess it targeted XForms 1.0 - has the > specification as regards this topic changed since version 1.0? Anyway, > thanks once more for your concern, best wishes, and 1.1, although 1.1 tends to be in general much clearer. But our implementation of the XForms processing model has changed very significantly since 3.6. We had a deep brainstorming session with Alex on this, and for sure we agree that this is not ideal from a form author point of view. But it might not be easy to implement the ideal solution, although we have some ideas ;) -Erik -- You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email] mailing list. To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email] For general help: mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help OW2 mailing lists service home page: http://www.ow2.org/wws |
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