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Joachim Kleinhans
Hi ops-users,

may I introduce myself? Joachim Kleinhans. 10 years IT-experience  
mainly in Advertising Agencies and publishing houses. I am studying  
human medicine and practise Tae Kwon Do a lot.

A few weeks ago I got introduced to eXist XML database and my efforts  
led me to Orbeon Presentation server.

Maybe you can give me some advice about how to learn OPS and eXist in  
a straight manner?

There may be some documentation but it lacks some information. I  
could not even find the info which snapshot of eXist is embedded in  
OPS 3.0.1? Should I use the embedded one or try to deploy OPS using  
an external eXist database?

Should I configure OPS / Tomcat to use Apache as well for serving  
static HTML? Is there an advantage in using PHP through Apache as  
well or doesn't miss one PHP as soon as one uses OPS? ;-)

A few questions from the beginner.

I hope you don't mind my introduction. If this list may be not used  
in such behaviour, please don't flame me ;-)

sincerely,
Joachim Kleinhans
Hamburg, Germany



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Re: New Member!

Erik Bruchez
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Joachim,

 > may I introduce myself? Joachim Kleinhans. 10 years IT-experience
 > mainly in Advertising Agencies and publishing houses. I am studying
 > human medicine and practise Tae Kwon Do a lot.

Welcome to ops-users!

 > Maybe you can give me some advice about how to learn OPS and eXist
 > in a straight manner?

We had a decent tutorial for OPS 2.8 but so much has changed in 3.0,
especially regarding XForms support, that I would not really advise
following that.

We plan a new step by step introduction for OPS 3.5. In fact, we have
been planning to do this since OPS 3.0, and it is truly a great hole
in the documentation.

For now, your best bet is to go through the existing documentation and
look at the examples' source code, including the XForms Controls
example and our most advanced example, the DMV Forms example. We
recommend you use a nighly build instead of 3.0.1.

Note that this example will be simplified soon as we move to using the
eXist REST API instead of the XML:DB API, and we plan to heavily
reorganize the directory structure for 3.5 as well to make it more
accessible.

For eXist-specific questions and issues, you may want to use the
exist-open mailing-list, although we definitely welcome questions that
relate to using eXist with OPS.

 > There may be some documentation but it lacks some information. I
 > could not even find the info which snapshot of eXist is embedded in
 > OPS 3.0.1?

Well, if you download a nighly build of OPS and look at the WAR file's
WEB-INF/lib, you will find the file exist-20060316.jar. BTW, contrary
to many other projects, we have the habit of always putting a version
number in the JAR files that we use. Hopefully we can upgrade to eXist
1.0 RC soon, but if you deploy eXist separately from OPS, you can
already use 1.0 RC or 1.1 RC.

 > Should I use the embedded one or try to deploy OPS using an external
 > eXist database?

Embedded for convenience if you want to just play, external for real
deployment. What I mean by "external" here is as a separate web
application, not necessarily in a separate server.

 > Should I configure OPS / Tomcat to use Apache as well for serving
 > static HTML?

For deployment, sure. For development, there is no need to.

 > Is there an advantage in using PHP through Apache as well or doesn't
 > miss one PHP as soon as one uses OPS? ;-)

Well, I don't know much about PHP and don't use it so can't answer. If
you want security holes, then use PHP ;-)

 > I hope you don't mind my introduction. If this list may be not used
 > in such behaviour, please don't flame me ;-)

We try never to do this ;-)

-Erik

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Re: New Member!

Joachim Kleinhans
Hi,

Thank you very much for all the advices and hints. I tried to follow your advices and installed the nightly build of OPS from 2006-08-16 and the exist-1.1rc-newcore.war as web-applications under tomcat 5.5.16. As mentioned before I would like to use eXist as external database.

But something seems to run seriously wrong:
In default mode (means no configs changed at all!, embedded eXist Version) I can't use DMV-Forms Example or OPS Blog Example or exist Sandbox Example.

DMV Forms fails to import Test Documents, OPS Blog fails to register User and exist Sandbox is completely empty and shows no function at all.

If I try to use the external exist version it is getting worse:
Error messages from java out of memory to no suitable api...

I could post the appropriate ....
..../webapps/ops/WEB-INF/resources/examples/forms/services/data-access/datasource.xml
..../webapps/ops/WEB-INF/resources/examples/bizdoc/data-access/exist/datasource.xml
..../webapps/ops/WEB-INF/resources/examples/blog/datasource.xml
... with my changes.

But as long as I am having trouble with the ordinary OPS Installation there is little chance to get the external xml database running, right? ;-)

What can I do, except waiting for new nightly builds?

I really love these frustrating start-ups into a completely new technology ;-)

Help me, please!!

Sincerely,
Joachim Kleinhans


Am 16.08.2006 um 19:56 schrieb Erik Bruchez:

Joachim,

> may I introduce myself? Joachim Kleinhans. 10 years IT-experience
> mainly in Advertising Agencies and publishing houses. I am studying
> human medicine and practise Tae Kwon Do a lot.

Welcome to ops-users!

> Maybe you can give me some advice about how to learn OPS and eXist
> in a straight manner?

We had a decent tutorial for OPS 2.8 but so much has changed in 3.0,
especially regarding XForms support, that I would not really advise
following that.

We plan a new step by step introduction for OPS 3.5. In fact, we have
been planning to do this since OPS 3.0, and it is truly a great hole
in the documentation.

For now, your best bet is to go through the existing documentation and
look at the examples' source code, including the XForms Controls
example and our most advanced example, the DMV Forms example. We
recommend you use a nighly build instead of 3.0.1.

Note that this example will be simplified soon as we move to using the
eXist REST API instead of the XML:DB API, and we plan to heavily
reorganize the directory structure for 3.5 as well to make it more
accessible.

For eXist-specific questions and issues, you may want to use the
exist-open mailing-list, although we definitely welcome questions that
relate to using eXist with OPS.

> There may be some documentation but it lacks some information. I
> could not even find the info which snapshot of eXist is embedded in
> OPS 3.0.1?

Well, if you download a nighly build of OPS and look at the WAR file's
WEB-INF/lib, you will find the file exist-20060316.jar. BTW, contrary
to many other projects, we have the habit of always putting a version
number in the JAR files that we use. Hopefully we can upgrade to eXist
1.0 RC soon, but if you deploy eXist separately from OPS, you can
already use 1.0 RC or 1.1 RC.

> Should I use the embedded one or try to deploy OPS using an external
> eXist database?

Embedded for convenience if you want to just play, external for real
deployment. What I mean by "external" here is as a separate web
application, not necessarily in a separate server.

> Should I configure OPS / Tomcat to use Apache as well for serving
> static HTML?

For deployment, sure. For development, there is no need to.

> Is there an advantage in using PHP through Apache as well or doesn't
> miss one PHP as soon as one uses OPS? ;-)

Well, I don't know much about PHP and don't use it so can't answer. If
you want security holes, then use PHP ;-)

> I hope you don't mind my introduction. If this list may be not used
> in such behaviour, please don't flame me ;-)

We try never to do this ;-)

-Erik

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Re: New Member! 2.

Joachim Kleinhans
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Hi,

I just recognized that my biggest problem was the macintosh firefox web-browser. Version 1.5.0.5, newest one. That is really astonishing, that browser seemed to be the most compatible and standards conform one ;-) OK, at least this is valid for ZOPE, JOOMLA and TYPO3.

DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX! Maybe interesting for other Macintosh developers.

It is pretty late now. After a while of sleeping I shall try to use the external eXist database. Is it right to edit three "...data-access/datasource.xml"-files in "/blog", "/forms" and "/bizdoc". Seems a little bit irritating to me. Why isn't it sufficient to configure that ONES?

Sincerely,
Joachim Kleinhans


Am 16.08.2006 um 19:56 schrieb Erik Bruchez:

Joachim,

> may I introduce myself? Joachim Kleinhans. 10 years IT-experience
> mainly in Advertising Agencies and publishing houses. I am studying
> human medicine and practise Tae Kwon Do a lot.

Welcome to ops-users!

> Maybe you can give me some advice about how to learn OPS and eXist
> in a straight manner?

We had a decent tutorial for OPS 2.8 but so much has changed in 3.0,
especially regarding XForms support, that I would not really advise
following that.

We plan a new step by step introduction for OPS 3.5. In fact, we have
been planning to do this since OPS 3.0, and it is truly a great hole
in the documentation.

For now, your best bet is to go through the existing documentation and
look at the examples' source code, including the XForms Controls
example and our most advanced example, the DMV Forms example. We
recommend you use a nighly build instead of 3.0.1.

Note that this example will be simplified soon as we move to using the
eXist REST API instead of the XML:DB API, and we plan to heavily
reorganize the directory structure for 3.5 as well to make it more
accessible.

For eXist-specific questions and issues, you may want to use the
exist-open mailing-list, although we definitely welcome questions that
relate to using eXist with OPS.

> There may be some documentation but it lacks some information. I
> could not even find the info which snapshot of eXist is embedded in
> OPS 3.0.1?

Well, if you download a nighly build of OPS and look at the WAR file's
WEB-INF/lib, you will find the file exist-20060316.jar. BTW, contrary
to many other projects, we have the habit of always putting a version
number in the JAR files that we use. Hopefully we can upgrade to eXist
1.0 RC soon, but if you deploy eXist separately from OPS, you can
already use 1.0 RC or 1.1 RC.

> Should I use the embedded one or try to deploy OPS using an external
> eXist database?

Embedded for convenience if you want to just play, external for real
deployment. What I mean by "external" here is as a separate web
application, not necessarily in a separate server.

> Should I configure OPS / Tomcat to use Apache as well for serving
> static HTML?

For deployment, sure. For development, there is no need to.

> Is there an advantage in using PHP through Apache as well or doesn't
> miss one PHP as soon as one uses OPS? ;-)

Well, I don't know much about PHP and don't use it so can't answer. If
you want security holes, then use PHP ;-)

> I hope you don't mind my introduction. If this list may be not used
> in such behaviour, please don't flame me ;-)

We try never to do this ;-)

-Erik

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Re: New Member! 2.

Erik Bruchez
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Joachim Kleinhans wrote:

> DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x
> Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX! Maybe
> interesting for other Macintosh developers.

What are the issues you are seeing with Firefox on MacOS?

> It is pretty late now. After a while of sleeping I shall try to use the
> external eXist database. Is it right to edit three
> "...data-access/datasource.xml"-files in "/blog", "/forms" and
> "/bizdoc". Seems a little bit irritating to me. Why isn't it sufficient
> to configure that ONES?

BizDoc is obsolete, and Blog really needs work, so you can just work
with the Forms example.

-Erik

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Re: New Member! 2.

Erik Bruchez
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Erik Bruchez wrote:
> Joachim Kleinhans wrote:
>
>> DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x
>> Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX! Maybe
>> interesting for other Macintosh developers.
>
> What are the issues you are seeing with Firefox on MacOS?

I just wanted to mention that I just tried the DMV Forms, TODO Lists and
XForms Controls examples under MacOX X with Firefox 1.5.0.6, and
everything appears to work great.

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Re: New Member! 2.

Joachim Kleinhans-2
Hi,

I had a 5-days-break ;-)
OK, seems to be a fata morgana: Now I can't repeat the problem!  
Firefox 1.5.0.6 on MacOs-X 10.4.7 works fine. I think something was  
broken in Firefox when I worked with it several hours and a simple  
restart fixed the problem. But please believe me: I never saw  
"LOADING...." in the upper right corner in Firefox before ;-)

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,
Joachim

Am 18.08.2006 um 00:35 schrieb Erik Bruchez:

> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>> Joachim Kleinhans wrote:
>>> DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x  
>>> Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX!  
>>> Maybe interesting for other Macintosh developers.
>> What are the issues you are seeing with Firefox on MacOS?
>
> I just wanted to mention that I just tried the DMV Forms, TODO  
> Lists and XForms Controls examples under MacOX X with Firefox  
> 1.5.0.6, and everything appears to work great.
>
> -Erik
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Re: external eXist (was: New Member! 2.)

Joachim Kleinhans-2
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ok,

I shall study the forms example. Is this the right way to configure  
teh external eXist database:
edit ..//forms/data-access/datasource.xml

Can one put it that way: Afterwards is the external database in use  
of FORMS Example but all the others still use the internal one?!

Joachim



Am 17.08.2006 um 20:09 schrieb Erik Bruchez:

> Joachim Kleinhans wrote:
>
>> DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x  
>> Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX!  
>> Maybe interesting for other Macintosh developers.
>
> What are the issues you are seeing with Firefox on MacOS?
>
>> It is pretty late now. After a while of sleeping I shall try to  
>> use the external eXist database. Is it right to edit three  
>> "...data-access/datasource.xml"-files in "/blog", "/forms" and "/
>> bizdoc". Seems a little bit irritating to me. Why isn't it  
>> sufficient to configure that ONES?
>
> BizDoc is obsolete, and Blog really needs work, so you can just  
> work with the Forms example.
>
> -Erik
>
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Re: New Member! 2.

Erik Bruchez
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Great!

As a general advice, when things don't work, especially after upgrading
OPS and/or updating JavaScript or CSS files on the server, always try
this first:

o Do a ctrl-f5 (IE, FF) or ctrl-shift-r (FF) or whatever does the same
   with Safari or Opera, in order to force a page reload without going
   through the browser cache. Alternatively, you can also try clearing
   your browser cache and cookies associated with your servlet container.

o If that doesn't work, restart your servlet container.

-Erik

Joachim Kleinhans wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I had a 5-days-break ;-)
> OK, seems to be a fata morgana: Now I can't repeat the problem! Firefox
> 1.5.0.6 on MacOs-X 10.4.7 works fine. I think something was broken in
> Firefox when I worked with it several hours and a simple restart fixed
> the problem. But please believe me: I never saw "LOADING...." in the
> upper right corner in Firefox before ;-)
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Sincerely,
> Joachim
>
> Am 18.08.2006 um 00:35 schrieb Erik Bruchez:
>
>> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>> Joachim Kleinhans wrote:
>>>> DMV Forms and Blog Examples do their job now if used with Macos-x
>>>> Safari, Netscape or Opera. But NOT in conjunction with FIREFOX!
>>>> Maybe interesting for other Macintosh developers.
>>> What are the issues you are seeing with Firefox on MacOS?
>>
>> I just wanted to mention that I just tried the DMV Forms, TODO Lists
>> and XForms Controls examples under MacOX X with Firefox 1.5.0.6, and
>> everything appears to work great.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
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