Multiple hints appearing at once

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table large
>  table I’ve got a lot of input controls and each contains a  <xforms
> :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of them ap
> pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not hoverin
> g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over the hin
> t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is waaaay less  
> than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I’ve included an ima
> ge (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is this a browser ren
> dering  issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
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> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table large  
> table I’ve got a lot of input controls and each contains a  <xforms
> :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of them ap
> pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not hoverin g
> over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over the hin t
> for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is waaaay less than
> that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I’ve included an ima ge (I
> removed all of the text) as an example.  Is this a browser ren dering  
> issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> <IEissue.JPG>
>
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> Hi Alessandro,
>
> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.  
> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because  
> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds  
> like the one you have.
>
> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a  
> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the  
> hints stay there)?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)" <[hidden email]
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>> rge
>> table I’ve got a lot of input controls and each contains a  <xforms
>> :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of them ap
>> pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not  
>> hoverin g
>> over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over the hin t
>> for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is waaaay less  
>> than
>> that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I’ve included an ima ge
>>  (I
>> removed all of the text) as an example.  Is this a browser ren dering
>> issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>
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> Hi Alessandro,
>
> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.  
> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because I
> remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds like
> the one you have.
>
> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
> hints stay there)?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
> <[hidden email]
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la rge
>> table I’ve got a lot of input controls and each contains a  <xforms
>> :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of them ap
>> pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not hoverin
>> g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over the hin
>> t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is waaaay less
>> than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I’ve included an ima
>> ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is this a browser ren
>> dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)" <[hidden email]
>  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Alessandro,
>>
>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because I
>> remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds like
>> the one you have.
>>
>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>> hints stay there)?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>> <[hidden email]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la rge
>>> table I’ve got a lot of input controls and each contains a  <xforms
>>> :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of them ap
>>> pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not hoverin
>>> g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over the hin
>>> t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is waaaay less
>>> than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I’ve included an ima
>>> ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is this a browser ren
>>> dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
> <[hidden email]
>  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Alessandro,
>>
>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because I
>> remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds like
>> the one you have.
>>
>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>> hints stay there)?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>> <[hidden email]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a  
>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of
>>> them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not
>>> hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over
>>> the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is
>>> waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
> <[hidden email]
>  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Alessandro,
>>
>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because I
>> remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds like
>> the one you have.
>>
>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>> hints stay there)?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>> <[hidden email]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of
>>> them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not
>>> hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over
>>> the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is
>>> waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>
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> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephanie Hall (TT) [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>
> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>> <[hidden email]
>>  > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>
>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because I
>>> remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds like
>>> the one you have.
>>>
>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>> hints stay there)?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>> <[hidden email]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many of
>>>> them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am not
>>>> hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse over
>>>> the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this is
>>>> waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>
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> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing
> at once
>
> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
> once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>
> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>> <[hidden email]
>>  > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>
>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because
>>> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds
>>> like the one you have.
>>>
>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>> hints stay there)?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>> <[hidden email]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am
>>>> not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse
>>>> over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this
>>>> is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>
> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>
> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>
> Alex
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing
>> at once
>>
>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>> once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>
>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>> <[hidden email]
>>>  > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>
>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because
>>>> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds
>>>> like the one you have.
>>>>
>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>>>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>>> hints stay there)?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am
>>>>> not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse
>>>>> over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this
>>>>> is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>
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> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I tried this, but I don't seem to see the "trail" you were describing,
> or the many hints visible at once. See:
>
> http://screencast.com/t/ZjVhMjUzMWMt
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT)
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>>
>> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>>
>> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing
>>> at once
>>>
>>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>>> once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>>
>>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>  > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because
>>>>> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds
>>>>> like the one you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after a
>>>>> short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>>>> hints stay there)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I am
>>>>>> not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my mouse
>>>>>> over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but this
>>>>>> is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  I've
>>>>>> included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an example.  Is
>>>>>> this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>
> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>
> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
> appearing at once
>
> Stephanie,
>
> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>
> Alex
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing
>> at once
>>
>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>> once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>
>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>> <[hidden email]
>>>  > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>
>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because
>>>> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds
>>>> like the one you have.
>>>>
>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after
>>>> a short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>>> hints stay there)?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I
>>>>> am not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my
>>>>> mouse over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but
>>>>> this is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.  
>>>>> I've included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an
>>>>> example.  Is this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email]
>>>>> mailing list.
>>>>> To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email]
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>>>>
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>>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> You have to have probably double the number you have on the screen in the video.  Once you add them, then drag your cursor quickly (it was pretty slow in the video) across them.  I've attached an image showing the problem that I was able to make with this same example. The hints that came up disappeared after maybe 4-5 seconds.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I tried this, but I don't seem to see the "trail" you were describing, or the many hints visible at once. See:
>
> http://screencast.com/t/ZjVhMjUzMWMt
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>>
>> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>>
>> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
>> appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing
>>> at once
>>>
>>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>>> once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>>
>>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>  > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking because
>>>>> I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom which sounds
>>>>> like the one you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after
>>>>> a short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do the
>>>>> hints stay there)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I
>>>>>> am not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my
>>>>>> mouse over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup but
>>>>>> this is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.
>>>>>> I've included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an
>>>>>> example.  Is this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You receive this message as a subscriber of the [hidden email]
>>>>>> mailing list.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe: mailto:[hidden email]
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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> Hi Alex,
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> You have to have probably double the number you have on the screen in the video.  Once you add them, then drag your cursor quickly (it was pretty slow in the video) across them.  I've attached an image showing the problem that I was able to make with this same example. The hints that came up disappeared after maybe 4-5 seconds.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple
> hints appearing at once
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I tried this, but I don't seem to see the "trail" you were describing, or the many hints visible at once. See:
>
> http://screencast.com/t/ZjVhMjUzMWMt
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>>
>> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>>
>> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
>> appearing at once
>>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
>>> appearing at once
>>>
>>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>>> once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>>
>>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>  > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking
>>>>> because I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom
>>>>> which sounds like the one you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after
>>>>> a short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do
>>>>> the hints stay there)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I
>>>>>> am not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my
>>>>>> mouse over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup
>>>>>> but this is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.
>>>>>> I've included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an
>>>>>> example.  Is this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>>
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> Hi Alex,
>
> From the preliminary tests I've run today, it seems like this issue is fixed (at least I haven't been able to reproduce it).  I'm still evaluating the nightly WAR for our production use, so I'll let you know if it pops up again, but for now I think you can mark it closed :)
>
> Thanks a lot!
> Stephanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:36 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> Yes, I see. I think I nailed this down, and pushed a fix which will be included in the next nightly build. You'll let me know if it works for you.
>
> Alex
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> You have to have probably double the number you have on the screen in the video.  Once you add them, then drag your cursor quickly (it was pretty slow in the video) across them.  I've attached an image showing the problem that I was able to make with this same example. The hints that came up disappeared after maybe 4-5 seconds.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple
>> hints appearing at once
>>
>> Hi Stephanie,
>>
>> I tried this, but I don't seem to see the "trail" you were describing, or the many hints visible at once. See:
>>
>> http://screencast.com/t/ZjVhMjUzMWMt
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Thanks for being aggressive on this issue.
>>>
>>> I've attached an example file that should run in the sandbox.  What you need to do is open it in IE (I'm using IE8) and click the "+" button enough times to where the screen is full of these lines (you'll see).  Once you scroll down and then run your cursor over some of the lines, a lot of them popup and don't go away.  I typically have a large number of input boxes like this in my form and that is where my problem comes from.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have problems running the example.  The skeleton was taken from the intro bookcast app for simplicity and familiarity.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:28 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
>>> appearing at once
>>>
>>> Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Thank you for trying again. Now, let's try to squash that bug! Could you put together an example that we can run here in the XForms sandbox and that would show this?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> So I've finally gotten a chance to test the nightly build again (from the night of 3/16), and this is still not fixed.  I tested it in IE8, and many hints still popped up and stayed there.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stephanie Hall (TT)
>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:08 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints
>>>> appearing at once
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for such a quick response, Erik!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Erik Bruchez [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:57 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at
>>>> once
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> In general they are quite safe to use. There can always be bugs or regressions creeping in, but we have more and more unit tests running alongside each build so the risk is reduced.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is a plan to do a new release real soon. That was planned in December and has slipped a bit because there are a couple of remaining IE issues we wanted to see fixed.
>>>>
>>>> -Erik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Hall (TT) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are the nightly builds generally safe to use?  Or is there any info on how they are tested?  Also are there any plans for another developer release since the last one was in May of last year?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: RE: Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>>
>>>>> No guarantee, but it might have been fixed. Do you have a way to give it a try and test this with the latest nightly build?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:33 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>  > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I am using the developer release that was released on 5/27/09.
>>>>>> Are you saying this has been fixed in a nightly build?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Alessandro Vernet [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>>> Subject: [ops-users] Re: Multiple hints appearing at once
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephanie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this happening with a recent nightly builds? I am asking
>>>>>> because I remember recently fixing an issue causing a symptom
>>>>>> which sounds like the one you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are using a nightly build, are the hints disappearing after
>>>>>> a short delay (i.e. does it just create a visual "trace", or do
>>>>>> the hints stay there)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "Stephanie Hall (TT)"
>>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before:  , In this table la
>>>>>>> rge table I've got a lot of input controls and each contains a
>>>>>>> <xforms :hint>. When I quickly move my mouse over the table, many
>>>>>>> of them ap pear and do not go away for at least a few seconds (I
>>>>>>> am not hoverin g over them).  I expected I would need to hold my
>>>>>>> mouse over the hin t for a second or two to see the hint popup
>>>>>>> but this is waaaay less than that.  I see this mostly after scrolling.
>>>>>>> I've included an ima ge  (I removed all of the text) as an
>>>>>>> example.  Is this a browser ren dering issue? Or is this due to something set in OPS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <IEissue.JPG>
>>>>>>>
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