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Benjamin Li
Hi there!

Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the

studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc

folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse and OPS.

Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.

just my 2c. =)

incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing list?

Thanks!!

cheers,
ben

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RE: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Richard Braman
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Ben,
 
Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in their extracted form.
 
OPS needs a servlet container to run in
Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install instructions
http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin.  You could also use Jetty if you want.
Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.
 
There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run configuration)
 
I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
 
whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger
 

usage: Pipeline URL is required

-r,--root Resource manager root

I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?

 
References:
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Hi there!

Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the

studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc

folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse and OPS.

Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.

just my 2c. =)

incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing list?

Thanks!!

cheers,
ben

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Re: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Benjamin Li
Thanks RIchard.

Ok,
I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing out of date and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or just the internal tomcat (or whatever is used) instance that is out of date? Or both?

I will try what u outlined in the meantime.

Thanks!

cheers,
ben

On 3/17/06, Richard Braman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ben,
 
Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in their extracted form.
 
OPS needs a servlet container to run in
Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install instructions
<a href="http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin .  You could also use Jetty if you want.
Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.
 
There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run configuration)
 
I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
 
whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger
 

usage: Pipeline URL is required

-r,--root Resource manager root

I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?

 
References:
 
<a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Hi there!

Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the

studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc

folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse and OPS.

Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.

just my 2c. =)

incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing list?

Thanks!!

cheers,
ben

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RE: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Richard Braman
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Here is the last mail from alex on the subject of Studio, but like I said you should be able to use eclipse to build debug OPS without using studio.  The two option I see are MyEclipse plugin and Sysdeo plugin.
 

On 2/10/06, Smith, Donald <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My Eclipse Orbeon plugin is older than 2.8. When I try to update using

> Eclipse, I don't get anything for 3.0. Where can I find the download

> for the current Orbeon Studio?

Hi Don,

In Eclipse, under Help / Software Updates / Find and Install, choose "Search for new feature to install", and add a new remote site with the URL below. This will get you the latest version of the Studio plugin. It is incorrectly labeled "unstable", but this is latest stable version of Studio.

http://forge.objectweb.org/nightlybuilds/ops/studio/site.xml

> Most links I find take me to

> http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-started, but there isn't anything

> here about Studio separate from the ops download. Everything I find on

> the Eclipse plugin site seems old.

Good point. The latest release of Studio is from the end of last year, and at this point we are focusing all our efforts on PresentationServer and we are not actively developing Studio. If there is anyone here that would like to take over the development of Studio, please stand up!

Alex

--

Blog (XML, Web apps, Open Source):

http://www.orbeon.com/blog/

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:53 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Thanks RIchard.

Ok,
I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing out of date and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or just the internal tomcat (or whatever is used) instance that is out of date? Or both?

I will try what u outlined in the meantime.

Thanks!

cheers,
ben

On 3/17/06, Richard Braman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ben,
 
Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in their extracted form.
 
OPS needs a servlet container to run in
Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install instructions
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin" target=_blank>http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin .  You could also use Jetty if you want.
Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.
 
There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run configuration)
 
I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
 
whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger
 

usage: Pipeline URL is required

-r,--root Resource manager root

I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?

 
References:
 
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/" target=_blank>http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Hi there!

Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the

studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc

folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse and OPS.

Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.

just my 2c. =)

incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing list?

Thanks!!

cheers,
ben

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Re: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

clemens.harder
Hi Richard,

I am using the web tools project (wtp) plugin, which is a subproject of
eclipse. You can run and debug ops. Also you can use the schemas of ops
in XML catalog for a better development of Pipelines or XHTML XForms.
MyEclipse can do the same for you, cause parts of wtp are integrated.

Clemens

Richard Braman schrieb:

> Here is the last mail from alex on the subject of Studio, but like I
> said you should be able to use eclipse to build debug OPS without
> using studio.  The two option I see are MyEclipse plugin and Sysdeo
> plugin.
>  
>
> On 2/10/06, Smith, Donald <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > My Eclipse Orbeon plugin is older than 2.8. When I try to update using
>
> > Eclipse, I don't get anything for 3.0. Where can I find the download
>
> > for the current Orbeon Studio?
>
> Hi Don,
>
> In Eclipse, under Help / Software Updates / Find and Install, choose
> "Search for new feature to install", and add a new remote site with
> the URL below. This will get you the latest version of the Studio
> plugin. It is incorrectly labeled "unstable", but this is latest
> stable version of Studio.
>
> http://forge.objectweb.org/nightlybuilds/ops/studio/site.xml 
> <http://forge.objectweb.org/nightlybuilds/ops/studio/site.xml>
>
> > Most links I find take me to
>
> > http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-started 
> <http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-started> , but there isn't anything
>
> > here about Studio separate from the ops download. Everything I find on
>
> > the Eclipse plugin site seems old.
>
> Good point. The latest release of Studio is from the end of last year,
> and at this point we are focusing all our efforts on
> PresentationServer and we are not actively developing Studio. If there
> is anyone here that would like to take over the development of Studio,
> please stand up!
>
> Alex
>
> --
>
> Blog (XML, Web apps, Open Source):
>
> http://www.orbeon.com/blog/ <http://www.orbeon.com/blog/>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
>     *Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2006 3:53 PM
>     *To:* [hidden email]
>     *Subject:* Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>     Thanks RIchard.
>
>     Ok,
>     I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing
>     out of date and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or
>     just the internal tomcat (or whatever is used) instance that is
>     out of date? Or both?
>
>     I will try what u outlined in the meantime.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     cheers,
>     ben
>
>     On 3/17/06, *Richard Braman* < [hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>         Ben,
>          
>         Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse
>         directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your
>         favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to
>         get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed
>         so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using
>         eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build
>         OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS
>         to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib
>         directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war
>         directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in
>         their extracted form.
>          
>         OPS needs a servlet container to run in
>         Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of
>         eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to
>         control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install
>         instructions
>         http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin
>         <http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin>.  You could also
>         use Jetty if you want.
>         Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
>         Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new
>         JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have
>         the plug-in.
>          
>         There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
>         In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
>         and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a
>         run configuration)
>          
>         I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
>          
>         whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the
>         debugger
>          
>
>         usage: Pipeline URL is required
>
>         -r,--root Resource manager root
>
>         I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the
>         instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?
>
>          
>         References:
>          
>         http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
>         <http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/>
>          
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>]
>         *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
>         *To:* [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>         *Subject:* [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>             Hi there!
>
>             Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn
>             OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon
>             website that there is documentation/tutorials available
>             for Orbeon Studio in the
>
>             studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc
>
>
>             folder of the distribution. I know, It should be
>             accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for
>             me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar
>             with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some
>             time googling and searching around before actually finding
>             it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply
>             loading and example project and getting it to run). It is
>             really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that
>             just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts,
>             from both Eclipse and OPS.
>
>             Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost)
>             no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which
>             seems to me is pretty strange.
>
>             just my 2c. =)
>
>             incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the
>             userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
>             and are there any other resources besides the usual docs
>             and this mailing list?
>
>             Thanks!!
>
>             cheers,
>             ben
>
>             --
>             Signing off,
>             Benjamin Li
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RE: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Richard Braman
What do you set the main class to?  Or what in the first class that gets
executed.  It looks like some kind of classloader but I haven't exactly
figured it out yet.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs


Hi Richard,

I am using the web tools project (wtp) plugin, which is a subproject of
eclipse. You can run and debug ops. Also you can use the schemas of ops
in XML catalog for a better development of Pipelines or XHTML XForms.
MyEclipse can do the same for you, cause parts of wtp are integrated.

Clemens

Richard Braman schrieb:

> Here is the last mail from alex on the subject of Studio, but like I
> said you should be able to use eclipse to build debug OPS without
> using studio.  The two option I see are MyEclipse plugin and Sysdeo
> plugin.
>  
>
> On 2/10/06, Smith, Donald <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > My Eclipse Orbeon plugin is older than 2.8. When I try to update
> > using
>
> > Eclipse, I don't get anything for 3.0. Where can I find the download
>
> > for the current Orbeon Studio?
>
> Hi Don,
>
> In Eclipse, under Help / Software Updates / Find and Install, choose
> "Search for new feature to install", and add a new remote site with
> the URL below. This will get you the latest version of the Studio
> plugin. It is incorrectly labeled "unstable", but this is latest
> stable version of Studio.
>
> http://forge.objectweb.org/nightlybuilds/ops/studio/site.xml
> <http://forge.objectweb.org/nightlybuilds/ops/studio/site.xml>
>
> > Most links I find take me to
>
> > http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-started
> <http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-started> , but there isn't
> anything
>
> > here about Studio separate from the ops download. Everything I find
> > on
>
> > the Eclipse plugin site seems old.
>
> Good point. The latest release of Studio is from the end of last year,
> and at this point we are focusing all our efforts on
> PresentationServer and we are not actively developing Studio. If there

> is anyone here that would like to take over the development of Studio,

> please stand up!
>
> Alex
>
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>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
>     *Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2006 3:53 PM
>     *To:* [hidden email]
>     *Subject:* Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>     Thanks RIchard.
>
>     Ok,
>     I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing
>     out of date and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or
>     just the internal tomcat (or whatever is used) instance that is
>     out of date? Or both?
>
>     I will try what u outlined in the meantime.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     cheers,
>     ben
>
>     On 3/17/06, *Richard Braman* < [hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>         Ben,
>          
>         Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse
>         directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your
>         favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to
>         get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed
>         so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using
>         eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build
>         OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS
>         to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib
>         directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war
>         directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in
>         their extracted form.
>          
>         OPS needs a servlet container to run in
>         Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of
>         eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to
>         control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install
>         instructions
>         http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin
>         <http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin>.  You could also
>         use Jetty if you want.
>         Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
>         Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new
>         JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have
>         the plug-in.
>          
>         There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
>         In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
>         and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a
>         run configuration)
>          
>         I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
>          
>         whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the
>         debugger
>          
>
>         usage: Pipeline URL is required
>
>         -r,--root Resource manager root
>
>         I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the
>         instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?
>
>          
>         References:
>          
>         http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
>         <http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/>
>          
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>]
>         *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
>         *To:* [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>         *Subject:* [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>             Hi there!
>
>             Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn
>             OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon
>             website that there is documentation/tutorials available
>             for Orbeon Studio in the
>
>            
> studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc
>
>
>             folder of the distribution. I know, It should be
>             accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for
>             me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar
>             with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some
>             time googling and searching around before actually finding
>             it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply
>             loading and example project and getting it to run). It is
>             really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that
>             just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts,
>             from both Eclipse and OPS.
>
>             Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost)
>             no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which
>             seems to me is pretty strange.
>
>             just my 2c. =)
>
>             incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the
>             userbase/community (more justification to give to the
PHBs)

>             and are there any other resources besides the usual docs
>             and this mailing list?
>
>             Thanks!!
>
>             cheers,
>             ben
>
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Re: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

clemens.harder
With WTP or even myEclipse you have to create a webproject. Only that
kind of project can be deployed to a defined and enabled server
(tomcat). Replace the created WEB-INF with import of ops.war. Thats all
what I have done. After that you can run the webproject on server.

Hope this helps

Richard Braman schrieb:
> What do you set the main class to?  Or what in the first class that gets
> executed.  It looks like some kind of classloader but I haven't exactly
> figured it out yet.
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RE: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Richard Braman
I got it working with MyEclipse.  Steps were simple.
Build OPS from source in eclipse
Installed MyEclipse
Copied freshy built ops.war into webapps of my tomcat
Point window->preferences=>My Eclipse to my tomcat install
Run MyEclipse Applcation Servers->Tomcat

I set a breakpoint at oxf.orbeon.oxf.servlet on line 51 of
OPSServlet.java and it broke.

I stepped all the way through it wcich led me through the starting of
the server.  I then launched
localhost:8080/ops and now am on to getting OPS to break on a hit.




---------------------------------------------------
I did notice this.  I have log4j installed


Starting PresentationServer Release 3.0.1.200602241416
Initializing Resource Manager with:
{org.orbeon.oxf.resources.WebAppResourceManagerImplServletContext=org.ap
ache.catalina.core.ApplicationContextFacade@18cecd,
oxf.resources.priority.2=org.orbeon.oxf.resources.ClassLoaderResourceMan
agerFactory,
oxf.resources.factory=org.orbeon.oxf.resources.PriorityResourceManagerFa
ctory,
oxf.resources.priority.1=org.orbeon.oxf.resources.WebAppResourceManagerF
actory, oxf.resources.webapp.rootdir=/WEB-INF/resources}
log4j:ERROR exception setting timeout, shutting down server socket.
java.net.BindException: Address already in use: JVM_Bind

Heres a prior posting indicating that you really don't need it anyway
Re: [ops-users] logging - log4j startup error
Subject: Re: [ops-users] logging - log4j startup error
From: dsmall@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:04:37 -0700

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

johnecobo@xxxxxxxxx> said:

> Sounds good, but I don't seem to be creating a
> stdout.log.  Probably because of these errors when
> starting Tomcat (in Orbeon Studio):
>
> java.net.BindException: Address already in use:
> JVM_Bind
>       at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketBind(Native Method)
> ....
> at
>
org.apache.log4j.net.SocketHubAppender$ServerMonitor.run(SocketHubAppend
er.java:348)
>       at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
>
> Anyone know how to fix log4j ?
>
> Thanks.

Check your log4j.xml file(s).  One or more of them
are declaring a socket hub appender with a port
that is already in use.  

And if you've gone to the trouble to use Studio
there's little point in using the stdout logging
since there's the log event view.

-- Regards, Dan S




-----Original Message-----
From: Clemens Harder [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:07 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs


With WTP or even myEclipse you have to create a webproject. Only that
kind of project can be deployed to a defined and enabled server
(tomcat). Replace the created WEB-INF with import of ops.war. Thats all
what I have done. After that you can run the webproject on server.

Hope this helps

Richard Braman schrieb:
> What do you set the main class to?  Or what in the first class that
> gets executed.  It looks like some kind of classloader but I haven't
> exactly figured it out yet.
>  






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RE: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

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Ben,

            We all use OPS Studio within Eclipse and the Internal Tomcat with no problems. I believe it is due an overhaul, but is still in working order!

 

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From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 17 March 2006 20:53
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

 

Thanks RIchard.

Ok,
I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing out of date and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or just the internal tomcat (or whatever is used) instance that is out of date? Or both?

I will try what u outlined in the meantime.

Thanks!

cheers,
ben

On 3/17/06, Richard Braman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ben,

 

Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the war file in their extracted form.

 

OPS needs a servlet container to run in

Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded and followed the install instructions

http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin .  You could also use Jetty if you want.

Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .

Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.

 

There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:

In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat

and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run configuration)

 

I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS

 

whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger

 

usage: Pipeline URL is required

-r,--root Resource manager root

I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions off or you can figure it out and post back?

 

References:

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Hi there!

Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the

studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc

folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu, but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse and OPS.

Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.

just my 2c. =)

incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more justification to give to the PHBs)
and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing list?

Thanks!!

cheers,
ben

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Re: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Alessandro  Vernet
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Hi Ben,

Just to clarify the "out of date" thing, Studio contains a copy of
PresentationServer, and that copy is out of date. This only has an
impact on the File / New / OPS Application Project feature. All the
other features of Studio work fine with the latest version of
PresentationServer, and in fact I am using Studio here every day :).

The workaround for the File / New / OPS Application Project feature is
to download the version of PresentationServer you want to use, and do
a File / Import / OPS Application Project from WAR.

Alex

On 3/17/06, Benjamin Li <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks RIchard.
>
> Ok,
> I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing out of date
> and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or just the internal tomcat
> (or whatever is used) instance that is out of date? Or both?
>
> I will try what u outlined in the meantime.
>
> Thanks!
>
> cheers,
> ben
>
>
> On 3/17/06, Richard Braman < [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build
> the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would
> use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have
> apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without
> using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS
> inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will
> notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the
> .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the
> war file in their extracted form.
>
> OPS needs a servlet container to run in
> Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using
> the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded
> and followed the install instructions
> http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin .  You could
> also use Jetty if you want.
>
> Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
> Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication
> whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.
>
> There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
> In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
> and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run
> configuration)
>
> I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
>
> whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger
>
>
>
> usage: Pipeline URL is required
>
> -r,--root Resource manager root
>
> I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions
> off or you can figure it out and post back?
>
> References:
>
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>
> Hi there!
>
> Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should
> be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is
> documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the
>
> studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc
>
> folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu,
> but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers
> unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time
> googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out
> how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting
> it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that
> just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse
> and OPS.
>
> Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of
> orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.
>
> just my 2c. =)
>
> incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more
> justification to give to the PHBs)
> and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing
> list?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> cheers,
> ben
>
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Re: Link to Orbeon Studio docs

Benjamin Li
Great, Thanks everyone!!

cheers,
ben

On 3/20/06, Alessandro Vernet <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Ben,

Just to clarify the "out of date" thing, Studio contains a copy of
PresentationServer, and that copy is out of date. This only has an
impact on the File / New / OPS Application Project feature. All the
other features of Studio work fine with the latest version of
PresentationServer, and in fact I am using Studio here every day :).

The workaround for the File / New / OPS Application Project feature is
to download the version of PresentationServer you want to use, and do
a File / Import / OPS Application Project from WAR.

Alex

On 3/17/06, Benjamin Li <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks RIchard.
>
> Ok,
> I think I might be missing something. Is the entire studio thing out of date
> and no longer used to develop OPS applications, or just the internal tomcat
> (or whatever is used) instance that is out of date? Or both?
>
> I will try what u outlined in the meantime.
>
> Thanks!
>
> cheers,
> ben
>
>
> On 3/17/06, Richard Braman < [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Since studio is out of date it may be best to use Eclipse directly to build
> the OPS source and try running it under your favorite web server.  I would
> use an Eclpise CVS plug in to get the source.  Also make sure you have
> apache ant installed so that you can build OPS.  You can build ops without
> using eclipse, but I think it is better the get ant working to build OPS
> inside of eclipse for one stop shopping.  Once you get OPS to build you will
> notice a build dierctory with both a ditrib directory, whihc contains the
> .war file, and a ops-war directory, which contains all of the files of the
> war file in their extracted form.
>
> OPS needs a servlet container to run in
> Since I use tomcat , i am trying to get OPS to run inside of eclipse using
> the com.sysdeo.eclipse.tomcat_3.1.0 plug in to control tomat.  I downloaded
> and followed the install instructions
> http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatplugin .  You could
> also use Jetty if you want.
>
> Next I created a new configuration using the tomcat plugin .
> Yuo need to slect debug/run from the Run menu and add a new JaveApplication
> whihc has a subtype called tomcat if you have the plug-in.
>
> There are two placess to make tomcat settings in Eclipse:
> In WIndow->Preferences->tomcat
> and in Project->Preferences->tomcat (once you have setup a run
> configuration)
>
> I set the main class to org.orbeon.oxf.main.OPS
>
> whihc is currently giving me an error when I try to launch the debugger

>
>
>
> usage: Pipeline URL is required
>
> -r,--root Resource manager root
>
> I dont know what this means , but may someone can finish the instructions
> off or you can figure it out and post back?
>
> References:
>
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ectom/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Li [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Link to Orbeon Studio docs
>
>
> Hi there!
>
> Just a comment from a noob who is just starting to learn OPS. There should
> be some comment somewhere on the orbeon website that there is
> documentation/tutorials available for Orbeon Studio in the
>
> studio\plugins\orbeon.oxfstudio.eclipse_1.2.2.200503031232\doc
>
> folder of the distribution. I know, It should be accessible from Help  menu,
> but first, it didn't work for me, and second, its not obvious to developers
> unfamiliar with Eclipse and Eclipse Plugins. I spent *quite* some time
> googling and searching around before actually finding it and figuring out
> how to use Orbeon studio (ie simply loading and example project and getting
> it to run). It is really not that obvious (not to me anyway) how to do that
> just by looking at the interface. A lot of new concepts, from both Eclipse
> and OPS.
>
> Interestingly enough, also, the orbeon site makes (almost) no mention of
> orbeon studio, or the xforms blog, which seems to me is pretty strange.
>
> just my 2c. =)
>

> incidentally, does anyone have numbers on the userbase/community (more
> justification to give to the PHBs)
> and are there any other resources besides the usual docs and this mailing
> list?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> cheers,
> ben
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