Input date format question

Hi Orbeon,

Do you have any idea when input date formats other then m/d/y will be
supported in Orbeon?

properties.xml
oxf.xforms.format.input.date = [M]/[D]/[Y]

Is this something that can easily be changed or overcome (i.e. by using
a different calendar or some clever js hack)?

And while on the subject, why chose the American date format as a
default? Errg. I assume your using a date library which makes this simple.

Chris.


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Chris,

We support [M]/[D]/[Y] at the moment, right? I.e. the US format. Do  
you mean [D]/[M]/[Y]?

As for what default to pick: difficult question, right? ;-)

-Erik

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> We support [M]/[D]/[Y] at the moment, right? I.e. the US format. Do  
> you mean [D]/[M]/[Y]?

Yes, can you offer any kind of hack to get [D]/[M]/[Y] in an input of kind date. It's a must for my client requisites.

This works in 3.6.0

<xforms:input bind="rule_fecha_cuestionario" xxforms:format="if (. != '') then format-date(xs:date(.),'[D]/[M]/[Y]', 'en', (), ()) else ." id="fecha" class="resultado" <xforms:label class="campos-ejercicio">Fecha:  </xforms:label></xforms:input>

but does not in 3.7 beta.

thx a lot.


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> We support [M]/[D]/[Y] at the moment, right? I.e. the US format. Do  
> you mean [D]/[M]/[Y]?

Yes, can you offer any kind of hack to get [D]/[M]/[Y] in an input of date type. It's a must for my client requisites.

This works in 3.6.0

<xforms:input bind="rule_fecha_cuestionario" xxforms:format="if (. != '') then format-date(xs:date(.),'[D]/[M]/[Y]', 'en', (), ()) else ." id="fecha" class="resultado" <xforms:label class="campos-ejercicio">Fecha:  </xforms:label></xforms:input>

but does not in 3.7 beta.

thx a lot.


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Yeah I'd very much like [D]/[M]/[Y] but the input control doesn't
support that.

Erik Bruchez wrote:
> Chris,
>
> We support [M]/[D]/[Y] at the moment, right? I.e. the US format. Do you
> mean [D]/[M]/[Y]?
>
> As for what default to pick: difficult question, right? ;-)
I understand the reason, just hoped that the computer scientists
developing the apps would code up a logical date arrangement first and
then handle those 'crazy' Americans ;)
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Chris,

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Chris Bailey <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> Yeah I'd very much like [D]/[M]/[Y] but the input control doesn't support
> that.

If you type a date in the text field, the way it will be parsed won't
depend on the oxf.xforms.format.input.date property: if you enter a
slash-separated (/) date it will expect the month first, if you enter a
dot-separated (.) date it will expect the day first. So right now, even
if you have set the format to [M]/[D]/[Y], you can enter 15.10.2008, and
when you tab out of the field it will be transformed in 10/15/2008.

The benefit of this system is that you can enter the date in the format
you are used to, but of course this assumes that people used to the EU
format will naturally use a different separator (.) than people used to
the US format (/). This is the case in Switzerland, but might not be the
case in the UK. Are people usually using a slash as a separator in the
UK, like they do in the US?

If this is the case, we could enable/disable different and conflicting
parsing patterns based on the oxf.xforms.format.input.date you set. This
wouldn't allow different people to enter date in US and EU format on the
same form, but would be more natural to those who would like to enter a
date in the EU format using slash as a separator.

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Users do what is easiest to adapt to. A point (.) will do, or a comma
if needed (,) but it is the way they see culturally their date data,
the numerical stream.

Right now the choice of the (.) separator in the French date picker
has been greatly accepted by our users.

Thanks,

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Einar,

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Einar Moos <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Users do what is easiest to adapt to. A point (.) will do, or a comma
> if needed (,) but it is the way they see culturally their date data,
> the numerical stream.

Right, and we wouldn't remove that capability. The benefit of using a
different separator for the US vs. EU format (what we do now), is that
you know just by looking at the separator what format people are using.
Of course this break down if people use the '/' separator but intended
to enter the day fist (EU format).

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:04:45 +0100
Chris Bailey <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yeah I'd very much like [D]/[M]/[Y] but the input control doesn't
> support that.

Please, have you solved this with any worthwile hack I can apply? I need so much to output the date in format [D]/[M]/[Y]

thx in advance.


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See how a date is parsed here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/XForms/Formatting_a_date . I have used the technique for xf:output - it works. Have not tried it on formatting an xf:input - it might work.




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Alessandro Vernet wrote: format (but maybe that's just because here in the UK we're still very
much on the fringes of the EU). However doesn't the automatic conversion
to US format confuse users? Or maybe it would just confuse the UK folks
who might be use to seeing both formats.

>
> The benefit of this system is that you can enter the date in the format
> you are used to, but of course this assumes that people used to the EU
> format will naturally use a different separator (.) than people used to
> the US format (/). This is the case in Switzerland, but might not be the
> case in the UK. Are people usually using a slash as a separator in the
> UK, like they do in the US?
The UK uses the '/' separator.

>
> If this is the case, we could enable/disable different and conflicting
> parsing patterns based on the oxf.xforms.format.input.date you set. This
> wouldn't allow different people to enter date in US and EU format on the
> same form, but would be more natural to those who would like to enter a
> date in the EU format using slash as a separator.
That would be very much appreciated. I think it would be unlikely that
people would want both input systems on the same form. However I would
still like to see the date displayed in the same format as it's been
entered. Otherwise 1/2/2008 displayed as 2/1/2008 would be ambiguous.

Chris.


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> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:04:45 +0100
> Chris Bailey <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah I'd very much like [D]/[M]/[Y] but the input control doesn't
>> support that.
>
> Please, have you solved this with any worthwile hack I can apply? I  
> need so much to output the date in format [D]/[M]/[Y]

Output, or input?

-Erik

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We discussed this not long ago, and we think that a combination of  
language and input format should be used to determine how the date you  
type is converted into an ISO date. This would be probably enough on a  
page per page basis.

-Erik

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Erik Bruchez wrote

> We discussed this not long ago, and we think that a combination of  
> language and input format should be used to determine how the date you  
> type is converted into an ISO date. This would be probably enough on a  
> page per page basis.
>
> -Erik

I would like to use Orbeon for a project which will use date logic extensively.

Here in Australia, the date format is [D]/[M]/[Y].  Perhaps we are a parochial bunch down here, but I don't think many Aussies are aware that date formats other than [D]/[M]/[Y] even exist.  To make Orbeon work for this project, I would need to ensure that no other form of input or display is possible.

Can you advise when the us Aussies will be able to enter and view the date in the format expected?

Anyone has solution for this yet ? I also need to have the date input in D/M/Y
And I don't have to deal with other date format at all, so this is the only thing I need, any hack or work around to achieve this ?

Thanks.

TonyM wrote

Erik Bruchez wrote

> We discussed this not long ago, and we think that a combination of  
> language and input format should be used to determine how the date you  
> type is converted into an ISO date. This would be probably enough on a  
> page per page basis.
>
> -Erik

I would like to use Orbeon for a project which will use date logic extensively.

Here in Australia, the date format is [D]/[M]/[Y].  Perhaps we are a parochial bunch down here, but I don't think many Aussies are aware that date formats other than [D]/[M]/[Y] even exist.  To make Orbeon work for this project, I would need to ensure that no other form of input or display is possible.

Can you advise when the us Aussies will be able to enter and view the date in the format expected?