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Karolin Heiss

Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Hello,

I am testing with orbeon-3.9.0.201205082332-CE to see if the new form builder feature "Custom XML" works.

With "Advanced > Customize XML" I put my own XML and tried to design a form.
I run into different problems (little refresh problem and bugs after which I can't open a saved form any more) and want to ask if somebody successfully works with the new feature?
Is there some more documentation? I found this:
http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/projects/form-runner-builder/form-builder-custom-xml

Thank you very much for sharing your experiences,

Karolin Heiss

Erik Bruchez

Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

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Hi Karolin,

The feature is not yet documented, but we plan to document it for the release.

Do you have an example of problems you found?

-Erik

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am testing with orbeon-3.9.0.201205082332-CE to see if the new form
> builder feature "Custom XML" works.
>
> With "Advanced > Customize XML" I put my own XML and tried to design a form.
> I run into different problems (little refresh problem and bugs after which I
> can't open a saved form any more) and want to ask if somebody successfully
> works with the new feature?
> Is there some more documentation? I found this:
> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/projects/form-runner-builder/form-builder-custom-xml
>
> Thank you very much for sharing your experiences,
>
> Karolin Heiss
>
>
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Karolin Heiss

Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Hi Erik,
here is what I tested and doesn't work like I expected:

1. Create a new xForm.
2. Delete automatically generated 'Untitled section'.
3. Switch to 'Custom XML' and apply XML:

<form>
<HierarchyEmployeeEmpl>
<Bookmark/>
<Employee>
<EmployeeNumber>123</EmployeeNumber>
<CodeName>KAROLIN HEISS</CodeName>
<LastName>Heiss</LastName>
<FirstName>Karolin</FirstName>
<BadgeID>123-456-789</BadgeID>
<Child>
<ChildNumber>1</ChildNumber>
<LastName>Heiss</LastName>
<FirstName>Anna</FirstName>
</Child>
<Child>
<ChildNumber>2</ChildNumber>
<LastName>Heiss</LastName>
<FirstName>Otto</FirstName>
</Child>
</Employee>
</HierarchyEmployeeEmpl>
</form>

4. Press 'New Section'

=> ERROR: the new sections doesn't appear

5. Workarround (later just called CustomXMLRefresh)
I found out, that a missing section appears after I apply the 'Custom XML' again.

6. Now I want to bind the new section to my Custom XML. Because I can't bind it directly to 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee' I bind it to 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl'. (would be helpfull to set a xPath as section name like 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee')

7. press 'New Section'
8. do CustomXMLRefresh to see section -> section is visible now
9. 'move right'
10. 'Edit section details'
11. set section name 'Employee'
12. apply

=> ERROR: section disappears

13. With CustomXMLRefresh the section is visible again.

14. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Employee.
15. set control name 'EmployeeNumber' and xPath 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/EmployeeNumber'

=> ERROR (?): I am missing the 'Edit help' button and can't set the control title.

16. create 'New repeat' section and bind to 'Child'.

=> FAQ: Why can't I 'move right' like a 'New section'?

17. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Child. Set control name 'ChildNumber' and xPath 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/ChildNumber'
18. ChildNumber data is shown properly in edit field
19. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Child. Set control name 'LastName' and xPath 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/LastName'
20. Error message because control name 'LastName' already exists (HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/LastName). So I change the control name to 'ChildLastName'.
21. ChildLastName data is shown properly in edit field

21. Do CustomXMLRefresh

=> ERROR: control ChildLastName disappears because after CustomXMLRefresh the xPath is automatically set to the invalid xPath HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/ChildFirstName.

Beside this problems I wonder how to design a form which automatically displays all HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child? The Number of Repetitions parameters are numbers. I would like to set 'Maximum Number of Repetitions' to count(HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child).

Please let me know if you can't reproduce this problems?
I happily will do some more testing to help to improve the new feature.

Cheers, Karolin

Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

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Karolin,

Thanks a lot. I have entered and fixed the first issue, and possibly more:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/200

You can also now specify an XPath expression for the section.

#15: We are aware of the missing help editor.

#16: We would like to implement universal selection/move:

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/projects/form-runner-builder/form-builder-improved-item-selection

No ETA for this one though!

For min/max, things should work if you the min value is 1 and the max
value 1 too. But this is also dependent on the following issue, which
I have just entered:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/201

Thanks!

-Erik

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> here is what I tested and doesn't work like I expected:
>
> 1. Create a new xForm.
> 2. Delete automatically generated 'Untitled section'.
> 3. Switch to 'Custom XML' and apply XML:
>
> <form>
> <HierarchyEmployeeEmpl>
> <Bookmark/>
> <Employee>
> <EmployeeNumber>123</EmployeeNumber>
> <CodeName>KAROLIN HEISS</CodeName>
> <LastName>Heiss</LastName>
> <FirstName>Karolin</FirstName>
> <BadgeID>123-456-789</BadgeID>
> <Child>
> <ChildNumber>1</ChildNumber>
> <LastName>Heiss</LastName>
> <FirstName>Anna</FirstName>
> </Child>
> <Child>
> <ChildNumber>2</ChildNumber>
> <LastName>Heiss</LastName>
> <FirstName>Otto</FirstName>
> </Child>
> </Employee>
> </HierarchyEmployeeEmpl>
> </form>
>
> 4. Press 'New Section'
>
> => ERROR: the new sections doesn't appear
>
> 5. Workarround (later just called CustomXMLRefresh)
> I found out, that a missing section appears after I apply the 'Custom XML'
> again.
>
> 6. Now I want to bind the new section to my Custom XML. Because I can't bind
> it directly to 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee' I bind it to
> 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl'. (would be helpfull to set a xPath as section name
> like 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee')
>
> 7. press 'New Section'
> 8. do CustomXMLRefresh to see section -> section is visible now
> 9. 'move right'
> 10. 'Edit section details'
> 11. set section name 'Employee'
> 12. apply
>
> => ERROR: section disappears
>
> 13. With CustomXMLRefresh the section is visible again.
>
> 14. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Employee.
> 15. set control name 'EmployeeNumber' and xPath
> 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/EmployeeNumber'
>
> => ERROR (?): I am missing the 'Edit help' button and can't set the control
> title.
>
> 16. create 'New repeat' section and bind to 'Child'.
>
> => FAQ: Why can't I 'move right' like a 'New section'?
>
> 17. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Child. Set control name
> 'ChildNumber' and xPath 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/ChildNumber'
> 18. ChildNumber data is shown properly in edit field
> 19. press 'Single-Line Text' in section Child. Set control name 'LastName'
> and xPath 'HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/LastName'
> 20. Error message because control name 'LastName' already exists
> (HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/LastName). So I change the control name to
> 'ChildLastName'.
> 21. ChildLastName data is shown properly in edit field
>
> 21. Do CustomXMLRefresh
>
> => ERROR: control ChildLastName disappears because after CustomXMLRefresh
> the xPath is automatically set to the invalid xPath
> HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child/ChildFirstName.
>
> Beside this problems I wonder how to design a form which automatically
> displays all HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child? The Number of Repetitions
> parameters are numbers. I would like to set 'Maximum Number of Repetitions'
> to count(HierarchyEmployeeEmpl/Employee/Child).
>
> Please let me know if you can't reproduce this problems?
> I happily will do some more testing to help to improve the new feature.
>
> Cheers, Karolin
>
>
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Karolin Heiss

Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Hallo Eric,
I am want to tests your fixes - Thank you! -with freshly downloaded Orbeon Forms 3.9.0.post.201205150100 CE.
But I stopped at #3 because I still can't see the new section.

Do I have to wait for a later build than 201205150100 to test your fixes?

Thank you very much,
Karolin

Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Administrator

Karolin,

That should be in that build. I will try this again (but probably not today).

-Erik

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hallo Eric,
> I am want to tests your fixes - Thank you! -with freshly downloaded Orbeon
> Forms 3.9.0.post.201205150100 CE.
> But I stopped at #3 because I still can't see the new section.
>
> Do I have to wait for a later build than 201205150100 to test your fixes?
>
> Thank you very much,
> Karolin
>
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Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

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That seems to work for me:

- new
- delete section
- switch to custom XML
- paste custom XML
- new section
- section shows in the builder

Now the section must be bound to a node so it shows at runtime. If I
enter HierarchyEmployeeEmpl as XPath, it works. Then a nested control
can bind to Bookmark, etc.

It would be good if we didn't need to bind sections at all. Currently
it is required so that Visibility/Read-Only work. I added an issue for
this:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/205

-Erik

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Erik Bruchez <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Karolin,
>
> That should be in that build. I will try this again (but probably not today).
>
> -Erik
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hallo Eric,
>> I am want to tests your fixes - Thank you! -with freshly downloaded Orbeon
>> Forms 3.9.0.post.201205150100 CE.
>> But I stopped at #3 because I still can't see the new section.
>>
>> Do I have to wait for a later build than 201205150100 to test your fixes?
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>> Karolin
>>
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Karolin Heiss

Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Hey Erik,

I tested again with orbeon-3.9.0.post.201205202200 CE.
Looks pretty good now :-)

One problem with the nightly build:
When I insert a new field/section etc. a question dialog is shown "This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved". If I press yes the URL is loaded . f.e. javascript:ORBEON.Builder.controlAdded.fire('fb$HierarchyEmployeeEmplEmployee-control$Child-control$td-8-td·1')

Question: Hide add/remove icons in repeat section.
I set boolean XPath expression "true()" for Read-Only on repeat section but add/remove icons in the repeat section are still shown. I open the configuration dialog and XPath expression is empty.

Karolin

Karolin Heiss

Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Hi Erik,

With Edit source in Form Builder I saved the form made with a custom XML and opened it again with xforms-sandbox > Upload local file.
Instet of the xForm an error is shown: Orbeon Forms Error

xFormsTest.xhtml

Is the created source not made to be displayed like this? There is no more error message so I don't know whats wrong?

Thank you for your help,
Karolin

Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

Administrator

In reply to this post by Karolin Heiss

Karolin,

Are you running Opera? We have seen that issue with that browser:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/207

Readonly on the repeat will make all nested controls readonly, but
does not prevent adding/removing rows. But you can control the min/max
values. What is the use case here?

BTW today I committed more fixes related to the Custom XML mode:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/237

With the latest fixes, I don't reproduce the empty XPath for the readonly value.

But we have an open issue for the fact that you can't specify a
binding XPath for the repeat:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/201

-Erik

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey Erik,
>
> I tested again with orbeon-3.9.0.post.201205202200 CE.
> Looks pretty good now :-)
>
> One problem with the nightly build:
> When I insert a new field/section etc. a question dialog is shown "This page
> is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may
> not be saved". If I press yes the URL is loaded . f.e.
> javascript:ORBEON.Builder.controlAdded.fire('fb$HierarchyEmployeeEmplEmployee-control$Child-control$td-8-td·1')
>
> Question: Hide add/remove icons in repeat section.
> I set boolean XPath expression "true()" for Read-Only on repeat section but
> add/remove icons in the repeat section are still shown. I open the
> configuration dialog and XPath expression is empty.
>
>
> Karolin
>
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Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

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In reply to this post by Karolin Heiss

Karolin,

The form must run via Form Runner. See this FAQ:

Can I use Form Builder to create a form, and put the form on my web site?
http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/orbeon-forms-faq/faq-orbeon-form-builder#TOC-Can-I-use-Form-Builder-to-create-a-form-and-put-the-form-on-my-web-site-

Now the following FAQ answer turns out to be a bit incorrect:

Can I use Form Builder to create a form, paste the form in a JSP, and
use separate deployment?
http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/orbeon-forms-faq/faq-orbeon-form-builder#TOC-Can-I-use-Form-Builder-to-create-a-form-paste-the-form-in-a-JSP-and-use-separate-deployment-

We actually have an experimental way to process such forms in separate
deployment. The relevant code is here:

https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/blob/master/src/resources-packaged/ops/xforms/xforms-renderer.xpl#L70

The trick is to run unroll-form.xpl on the Form Runner form. But this
is not really a supported feature at the moment.

-Erik

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Karolin Heiss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Erik,
>
> With /Edit source/ in Form Builder I saved the form made with a custom XML
> and opened it again with /xforms-sandbox > Upload local file/.
> Instet of the xForm an error is shown: /Orbeon Forms Error/
>
> http://orbeon-forms-ops-users.24843.n4.nabble.com/file/n4647997/xFormsTest.xhtml
> xFormsTest.xhtml
>
> Is the created source not made to be displayed like this? There is no more
> error message so I don't know whats wrong?
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Karolin
>
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Karolin Heiss

Re: Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

In reply to this post by Erik Bruchez

Hi Erik

I test with orbeon-3.9.0.post.201205220600 CE:

1.
Issues207: I am running Firefox and have the problem discribed in issue 207.

2.
I show readonly data. I would like to compleatly hide add/remove buttons.

3.
Issues237: Tested - ok

4.
The generated form code runs 1x1 with separate deployment :-)

How about an automatic, integrated Schema validation? If there is a Custom XML with belonging XSD a standard validation against the schema would be a good solution.

Regards, Karolin

Erik Bruchez

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Form Builder: "Advanced > Custom XML" help

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> Issues207: I am running Firefox and have the problem discribed in issue 207.

Ah yes, that's fixed now.

> I show readonly data. I would like to compleatly hide add/remove buttons.

Ok. I guess it would make sense, if the node to which the grid points
to is readonly, to not show the buttons at all. We'll think about it.

> Issues237: Tested - ok

Great.

> The generated form code runs 1x1 with separate deployment :-)
>
> How about an automatic, integrated Schema validation? If there is a Custom
> XML with belonging XSD a standard validation against the schema would be a
> good solution.

You can import an XML schema in the builder. Do you need more?

-Erik

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