Announcing Orbeon Form Builder

Erik
I think the Form Builder looks really cool. I tried to bring up a test form. I found that on my machine only the "Close" and Clear buttons seem to be enabled. Save icon, Test button and Publish Button do not work!
Again, it could be me!

Again, great job, guys!!

ilango

Erik Bruchez wrote

Thanks a lot!

However, don't hesitate to send in (constructive) criticism, it will  
be very welcome.

We will have documentation on integration soon. We have most of the  
doc on integration, but it's not online yet.

-Erik

On May 15, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Hugues Malphettes wrote:

> Fantastic job!
> It is very simple to use and produces very good looking and  
> functional forms.
>
> On my machine, it looks like saving the form is disabled.
> Do I need to configure something?
> Could you point us to the persistence layer: I need to customize it.
>
> Best,
> Hugues
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com> 
> wrote:
>>> Great job!! Congrats to all of you.
>>> Does this mean that we do not need to write any code at all:-D
>>> form this point on?
>>
>> Thanks a lot. Yes, we can now all retire ;-)
>>
>> More seriously, Form Builder does not yet do everything, so there  
>> is still
>> room for programmers. But we have a long list of features we would  
>> like to
>> add. However for now, the priority is polishing so we can get a  
>> beta and
>> then a 1.0 out.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> --
>> Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>> http://www.orbeon.com/

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Ilango,

Thanks! Regarding saving, you need first to enter form metadata. Until  
you have done that, you can't save it, test it or publish it. It's  
something we have to make clearer, obviously.

-Erik

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Ilango,

Form Builder / Form Runner have a few goals:

* Making building simple forms really easy.

* Reducing the amount of boring work: creating boilerplate code,  
typing in placeholders for control labels and the likes, dealing with  
basic CSS, etc.

* Making  available out of the box an architecture that goes beyond  
XForms, in particular to handle persistence, attachments, i18n, form  
layout, etc. This so you don't have to reinvent the wheel all the time.

So I would say not to worry: Form Builder is meant to handle the  
basics for now, and more complex forms and behaviors will still  
require some hand-coding. However, as we go, the plan is to integrate  
the most common usage patterns.

-Erik

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Erik
Thanks!
Under Form Metadata, I entered values for Application name and Form Name. Is there anything else I need to enter as far as Metadata is concerned. Obviously to me, it looks like I need to go Under Advanced,  I need to do things like Upload Schema, Upload CSS,etc, before the disabled buttons for Save, Test, etc become enabled?

ilango

Erik Bruchez wrote

Ilango,

Thanks! Regarding saving, you need first to enter form metadata. Until  
you have done that, you can't save it, test it or publish it. It's  
something we have to make clearer, obviously.

-Erik

On May 15, 2008, at 5:21 PM, ilango_g wrote:

>
> Erik
> I think the Form Builder looks really cool. I tried to bring up a  
> test form.
> I found that on my machine only the "Close" and Clear buttons seem  
> to be
> enabled. Save icon, Test button and Publish Button do not work!
> Again, it could be me!
>
> Again, great job, guys!!
>
> ilango
>
> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> However, don't hesitate to send in (constructive) criticism, it will
>> be very welcome.
>>
>> We will have documentation on integration soon. We have most of the
>> doc on integration, but it's not online yet.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On May 15, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Hugues Malphettes wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic job!
>>> It is very simple to use and produces very good looking and
>>> functional forms.
>>>
>>> On my machine, it looks like saving the form is disabled.
>>> Do I need to configure something?
>>> Could you point us to the persistence layer: I need to customize it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Hugues
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Great job!! Congrats to all of you.
>>>>> Does this mean that we do not need to write any code at all:-D
>>>>> form this point on?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot. Yes, we can now all retire ;-)
>>>>
>>>> More seriously, Form Builder does not yet do everything, so there
>>>> is still
>>>> room for programmers. But we have a long list of features we would
>>>> like to
>>>> add. However for now, the priority is polishing so we can get a
>>>> beta and
>>>> then a 1.0 out.
>>>>
>>>> -Erik
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way
>>>> http://www.orbeon.com/
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You also need the form title. Just these 3 piece of data should be  
enough.

-Erik

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> This seems to tell us that the CSS is not being loaded for some reason.
>
> Do you see an exception in the logs?

This is all I can see in the orbeon.log file upon requesting and getting
response from the following URL:
http://localhost:8080/orbeon/xforms-jsp/guess-the-number/

orbeon.log
------------------------------------------------------
2008-05-16 07:59:35,609 INFO  ProcessorService  - Servlet - Servlet
initialized.
2008-05-16 07:59:35,619 INFO  ProcessorService  - Servlet - Servlet
initialized.
2008-05-16 07:59:35,669 INFO  EXistServlet  - EXistServlet:
exist.home=C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\orbeon\WEB-INF
2008-05-16 07:59:35,669 INFO  EXistServlet  - reading configuration from
C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\orbeon\WEB-INF\exist-conf.xml
2008-05-16 07:59:35,679 INFO  Configuration  - Reading configuration from
file C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Tomcat
5.5\webapps\orbeon\WEB-INF\exist-conf.xml
2008-05-16 07:59:36,400 WARN  eXistURLStreamHandlerFactory  - The JVM has
already an URLStreamHandlerFactory registered, skipping...
2008-05-16 07:59:36,400 INFO  eXistURLStreamHandlerFactory  - Setting
java.protocol.handler.pkgs to org.exist.protocolhandler.protocols
2008-05-16 07:59:36,420 INFO  Configuration  - Add catalog uri
file:/C:/Program%20Files/Apache%20Software%20Foundation/Tomcat%205.5/webapps/orbeon//WEB-INF/catalog.xml
2008-05-16 07:59:36,420 INFO  GrammarPool  - Initializing GrammarPool.
2008-05-16 07:59:36,430 INFO  EXistServlet  - configuring eXist instance
2008-05-16 07:59:36,641 INFO  DefaultCacheManager  - Cache settings:
totalPages: 12 288; maxCacheSize: 11 059
2008-05-16 07:59:36,651 WARN  AgentFactory  - Class not found for JMX
agent: org.exist.management.impl.JMXAgent
2008-05-16 07:59:36,651 INFO  XQueryPool  - QueryPool: size = 128;
maxStackSize = 5; timeout = 120 000; timeoutCheckInterval = 30 000
2008-05-16 07:59:36,941 INFO  IndexManager  - Registered index
org.exist.indexing.ngram.NGramIndex as ngram-index
2008-05-16 07:59:36,941 INFO  IndexManager  - Registered index
org.exist.fulltext.FTIndex as ft-legacy-index
2008-05-16 07:59:37,301 INFO  EXistServlet  - registering XMLDB driver
2008-05-16 07:59:37,342 INFO  EXistServlet  - Using default user guest for
all unauthorized requests.
2008-05-16 07:59:37,372 WARN  EXistServlet  - Looking for a valid
Parser...
Checking for Xerces, found version Xerces-J 2.9.0 needed version Xerces-J
2.9.1
Warning: Failed find a valid Parser!

Please add an appropriate Parser to the class-path, e.g. in the 'endorsed'
folder of the servlet container or in the 'endorsed' folder of the JRE.

2008-05-16 07:59:37,372 WARN  EXistServlet  - Looking for a valid
Transformer...
Checking for Xalan, found version Xalan Java 2.5.1 needed version Xalan
Java 2.7.0
Checking for Saxon, found version 8.8 needed version 8.9.0.3
Warning: Failed find a valid Transformer!

Please add an appropriate Transformer to the class-path, e.g. in the
'endorsed' folder of the servlet container or in the 'endorsed' folder of
the JRE.

2008-05-16 07:59:50,390 INFO  ProcessorService  - Servlet - Servlet
initialized.
2008-05-16 07:59:50,450 INFO  ProcessorService  - /xforms-renderer -
Received request
2008-05-16 07:59:54,857 INFO  ProcessorService  - /xforms-renderer -
Timing: 4437 - Cache hits for cache.main: 143, fault: 58, adds: 56,
expirations: 0, success rate: 71%
2008-05-16 07:59:57,480 INFO  ProcessorService  - /xforms-renderer -
Received request
2008-05-16 07:59:57,711 INFO  ProcessorService  - /xforms-renderer -
Timing: 231 - Cache hits for cache.main: 202, fault: 5, adds: 3,
expirations: 0, success rate: 97%
-----------------------------------------------

  * The UI looks the same no matter which browser I use (IE, Firefox,
Safari, or Opera)
  * Obviously, the same (CSS) problem occurs in my own web applications
  * I haven't done any changes to the *.war file, just deployed it to my
servlet container
  * Also, tried to add Saxon 9.0.0.4 to the 'endorsed' folder of the
servlet container in order to get rid of the warning in the log file -->
didn't help


Hope you find this information helpful enough.


-Markku

Ps. Congrats, great work with the Orbeon Form Builder!


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o.k now that looks good



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Can someone point me at some performance tuning docn for orbeon. I have it
installed and working quite happily but whenever i fire up an application it
takes an age for the start page to appear in the web browser. I don't mind
waiting but if i have real uses out there using the stuff a 20 sec delay
before they can start using an app is not on. The server it's on isn't
really doing anything else other than running a resin java app server

Alex



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I entered the following for metadata:

1) Application Name
2) Form Name

and on the right hand side, I entered
1) Form Title
2) Uploaded a gif
3)Form description (optional...but I entered some text in there)
4)Section Name
5)Label
6) The other control to the right.  

I still cannot Save or Test.

ilango

Erik Bruchez wrote

You also need the form title. Just these 3 piece of data should be  
enough.

-Erik

On May 15, 2008, at 5:40 PM, ilango_g wrote:

>
> Erik
> Thanks!
> Under Form Metadata, I entered values for Application name and Form  
> Name. Is
> there anything else I need to enter as far as Metadata is concerned.
> Obviously to me, it looks like I need to go Under Advanced,  I need  
> to do
> things like Upload Schema, Upload CSS,etc, before the disabled  
> buttons for
> Save, Test, etc become enabled?
>
> ilango
>
>
> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>
>> Ilango,
>>
>> Thanks! Regarding saving, you need first to enter form metadata.  
>> Until
>> you have done that, you can't save it, test it or publish it. It's
>> something we have to make clearer, obviously.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On May 15, 2008, at 5:21 PM, ilango_g wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Erik
>>> I think the Form Builder looks really cool. I tried to bring up a
>>> test form.
>>> I found that on my machine only the "Close" and Clear buttons seem
>>> to be
>>> enabled. Save icon, Test button and Publish Button do not work!
>>> Again, it could be me!
>>>
>>> Again, great job, guys!!
>>>
>>> ilango
>>>
>>> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>>
>>>> However, don't hesitate to send in (constructive) criticism, it  
>>>> will
>>>> be very welcome.
>>>>
>>>> We will have documentation on integration soon. We have most of the
>>>> doc on integration, but it's not online yet.
>>>>
>>>> -Erik
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Hugues Malphettes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fantastic job!
>>>>> It is very simple to use and produces very good looking and
>>>>> functional forms.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my machine, it looks like saving the form is disabled.
>>>>> Do I need to configure something?
>>>>> Could you point us to the persistence layer: I need to customize  
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Hugues
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Erik Bruchez  
>>>>> <ebruchez@orbeon.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Great job!! Congrats to all of you.
>>>>>>> Does this mean that we do not need to write any code at all:-D
>>>>>>> form this point on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot. Yes, we can now all retire ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More seriously, Form Builder does not yet do everything, so there
>>>>>> is still
>>>>>> room for programmers. But we have a long list of features we  
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> like to
>>>>>> add. However for now, the priority is polishing so we can get a
>>>>>> beta and
>>>>>> then a 1.0 out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Erik
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://www.orbeon.com/
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Jim Logan wrote: I just figured it out... for some reason you have to press the change
button twice for each field, so it goes away, then you can save.

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> I just figured it out... for some reason you have to press the  
> change button twice for each field, so it goes away, then you can  
> save.

I don't reproduce this. With which browser is that?

-Erik

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Alex,

* What do you mean by "fire up an application"?
* What version of Orbeon Forms is this?

Also, have you had a look at:

   http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/integration-tuning

-Erik

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Erik Bruchez wrote:
>> I just figured it out... for some reason you have to press the change
>> button twice for each field, so it goes away, then you can save.
>
> I don't reproduce this. With which browser is that?
Firefox 3b5.

-Jim



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>>> I just figured it out... for some reason you have to press the  
>>> change button twice for each field, so it goes away, then you can  
>>> save.
>>
>> I don't reproduce this. With which browser is that?
> Firefox 3b5.

I can't use b5 because it's hopelessly broken for me, so I still use  
b4. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Would you happen  
to have another, non-IE browser around to see if you get the same  
behavior?

-Erik

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I have firefox3-b5 on linux-kubuntu and it is working for me.
My naive observations:
Sometimes it takes a while to have the save button enabled.
Make sure all your changes are committed: no more "Change or Cancel
embedded widgets".
Tweak something else in the form than the 3 necessary fields.

I hope this helps.
Hugues.

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Erik Bruchez wrote:
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Hi guys!

I have already praised the new form builder in a comment on the blog.
Again, fantastic stuff.

Found out what the reason for my problems with saving and testing the
form was: Metadata (application and form name) must not include
spaces! The also required form title can have spaces. Once you get rid
of the spaces in the metadata PLUS do one more update action in
another part of the form, it should be possible to save and run the
form.
You see that your metadata entry is invalid if the 'must be non-empty'
line doesn't disappear.

Here is one layout oriented  observation for the admired developers:
The longer text of the toolbar buttons e.g. 'Single-Line Text' is cut
off and not fully displayed: This happens with Firefox 2.0.0.14 both
on Mac OS X and Win XP. With Firefox 3b on Mac OS X this does not
happen.

Cheers, Thilo

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Thilo,

Thanks again!

Great to see that this is now working for you. We will be working in  
making this metadata stuff nicer and clearer.

Thanks for the bug report on the toolbar width. We will try to fix  
this soon.

-Erik

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Oh, thanks. I will try that

ilango

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Jim Logan wrote:
> ilango_g wrote:
>> I entered the following for metadata:
>>
>> 1) Application Name
>> 2) Form Name
>>
>> and on the right hand side, I entered 1) Form Title
>> 2) Uploaded a gif
>> 3)Form description (optional...but I entered some text in there)
>> 4)Section Name
>> 5)Label 6) The other control to the right.
>> I still cannot Save or Test.  
> I have the same problem...

I just figured it out... for some reason you have to press the change
button twice for each field, so it goes away, then you can save.

-Jim



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