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Marc.Benimeli
Hi all,

It's a french article about an Ajax open source project

http://www.01net.com/article/304531.html

Is this project interesting for OPS ?

Any comment Erik ?

Marc



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Re: Open Ajax

Erik Bruchez
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Marc,

It's certainly interesting in that it means there are serious efforts
towards tools that will facilitate the development of Ajax-based apps. I
don't have any doubt that more and more such tools will appear over
time, in particular to facilitate JavaScript development. This is good
for people developing their own Ajax apps "by hand", but also for people
developing platforms on top of Ajax, like the OPS XForms engine.

Definitely, some kind of convergence in the Ajax world is needed. The
OPS approach is particular since it is XForms-on-top-of-Ajax, but it
still needs a foundation in the form of a solid Ajax library, so we are
hoping that something strong will come out in this area as well.

-Erik

[hidden email] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It's a french article about an Ajax open source project
>
> http://www.01net.com/article/304531.html
>
> Is this project interesting for OPS ?
>
> Any comment Erik ?
>
> Marc




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RE: Open Ajax: English Translation

Richard Braman
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I tried to remember my hihg school french lessons, but it proved futile.
This is what Google returned.  It’s a little rough, reminds me of lost
in translation again.  It seems like IBM and other big companies are
trying to standardize AJAX.   It seem like they will try and add some
tools to the Eclipse IDE to work with and and debug AJAX.  Will this be
useful to Orbeon users?

************************************************************************
*************************************************************
The editors gather to create a Ajax standard
The large software publishers linked themselves at IBM around a joint
project. They will create Open Ajax, development tool free and free.

Frederic Bordering , 01 Informatique , 14/02/2006 with 15h20


Resting on standard technologies, Ajax (Asynchronous Javascript and XML)
transposes ergonomics of the traditional heavy customers within the
navigators. The promise is such as, according to Sebastien Brunot,
architect at Octo Technology, "the majority of the Web developments
which will begin this year will rest on this technique" .

But Ajax is far from being perfect. The debugging of associated the
ECMAScript code is a nightmare, and the portability of the developments
from one navigator to another remains very unequal. To correct these
weaknesses, IBM proposes to federate energies around a workshop of
development free, common to all the editors and baptized Open Ajax. Such
Eclipse in its time, this one achieved the unanimity. BEA, Borland,
Novell, Oracle, Red Hat, and Zend support already this initiative at the
sides of specialists such Dojo, Zimbra and Openrico, of which the
frameworks will be the first integrated into the project. Even Google
and Yahoo are associated there. Seul Microsoft declined the invitation.

To guarantee the opening and the perenniality of Open Ajax, the project
will be lodged by the Eclipse foundation. "a very significant choice. It
means that the tools Ajax d' Eclipse will be available in the commercial
environments of development of IBM, BEA and Borland. The developers will
not have thus to change tool ", underlines Sebastien Brunot.

A modular workshop of development

Eclipse will provide two types of tools: a workshop of development ready
with employment, and a technical base allowing the editors to integrate
their frameworks Ajax within this workshop. This one will comprise
several bricks: a ECMAScript editor with syntactic checking in real time
and debugger provided by IBM; a ECMAScript console, an engine of
returned Web (Geko), and an inspector DOM delivered by Mozilla. These
bricks will be integrated in a single interface via the Web Tools
Project d' Eclipse.

Sights will facilitate also the use of a specific framework. For the
moment, Dojo, Openrico and AjaxTK de Zimbra, published recently under
Apache licence, are supported. The initial members of Open Ajax envisage
to deliver tools for deployment for the Ajax applications resting on JÈE
and PHP. The editors wanting to join the project will have API to
integrate other navigators - one especially thinks of Internet Of
exploring. They will also benefit from a technical base in order to
extend the workshop with their clean framework via one plug-in.

In spite of its opening, Open Ajax will undoubtedly contribute to
rationalize the market (70 frameworks to date). The engagement of large
of data processing should thus reassure the companies on the
perenniality and the relevance of these developments, and guide them
towards one from these three frameworks.

What they think
Sebastien Brunot, person in charge for the rich customer offer at Octo
Technology
"a great step towards the industrialization of the projects Web 2.0" "an
integrated workshop common to all the editors was very awaited by the
community. It is a great step ahead towards the simplification and the
industrialization of the projects. Thanks to this kind of initiative,
the developers will be able, in the long term, to use Ajax in an almost
transparent way. But it is only one beginning. For meeting their needs
well, the IDE will have to be interfaced nativement with the principal
navigators of the market - I think of Internet Of exploring. They will
have to allow the development controlled by the tests, in particular by
integrating nativement the JSUnit. tool "

Stefano Pogliani, responsible Customer TEAM Innovation for the
South-western area within the software branch of IBM Europe
"We would be delighted by see Microsoft joining us" "to guarantee the
perenniality of the software based on Ajax, it is necessary to ensure
the interworking and the portability of the various bases of Ajax
execution between them. For that, we wish to federate the principal
actors of this market around a framework of development open and
developped at the joint point. Open Ajax is agnostic in terms of
navigator, of language of development and waiter of applications. This
initiative is not to in no case held in world JÈE. From where the
presence of Zend (PHP). And we would be delighted by see Microsoft
joining us "


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Subject: [ops-users] Open Ajax


Hi all,

It's a french article about an Ajax open source project

http://www.01net.com/article/304531.html

Is this project interesting for OPS ?

Any comment Erik ?

Marc





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Re: Open Ajax: English Translation

Alessandro  Vernet
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Hi Richard,

My understanding is that this initiative is about providing tools in
Eclipse to make the development of AJAX applications easier. So yes,
once this project comes to fruition, this may be used as tool when
working on the XForms server, in particular the client-side part.

Alex

On 2/15/06, Richard Braman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I tried to remember my hihg school french lessons, but it proved futile.
> This is what Google returned.  It's a little rough, reminds me of lost
> in translation again.  It seems like IBM and other big companies are
> trying to standardize AJAX.   It seem like they will try and add some
> tools to the Eclipse IDE to work with and and debug AJAX.  Will this be
> useful to Orbeon users?
>
> ************************************************************************
> *************************************************************
> The editors gather to create a Ajax standard
> The large software publishers linked themselves at IBM around a joint
> project. They will create Open Ajax, development tool free and free.
>
> Frederic Bordering , 01 Informatique , 14/02/2006 with 15h20
>
>
> Resting on standard technologies, Ajax (Asynchronous Javascript and XML)
> transposes ergonomics of the traditional heavy customers within the
> navigators. The promise is such as, according to Sebastien Brunot,
> architect at Octo Technology, "the majority of the Web developments
> which will begin this year will rest on this technique" .
>
> But Ajax is far from being perfect. The debugging of associated the
> ECMAScript code is a nightmare, and the portability of the developments
> from one navigator to another remains very unequal. To correct these
> weaknesses, IBM proposes to federate energies around a workshop of
> development free, common to all the editors and baptized Open Ajax. Such
> Eclipse in its time, this one achieved the unanimity. BEA, Borland,
> Novell, Oracle, Red Hat, and Zend support already this initiative at the
> sides of specialists such Dojo, Zimbra and Openrico, of which the
> frameworks will be the first integrated into the project. Even Google
> and Yahoo are associated there. Seul Microsoft declined the invitation.
>
> To guarantee the opening and the perenniality of Open Ajax, the project
> will be lodged by the Eclipse foundation. "a very significant choice. It
> means that the tools Ajax d' Eclipse will be available in the commercial
> environments of development of IBM, BEA and Borland. The developers will
> not have thus to change tool ", underlines Sebastien Brunot.
>
> A modular workshop of development
>
> Eclipse will provide two types of tools: a workshop of development ready
> with employment, and a technical base allowing the editors to integrate
> their frameworks Ajax within this workshop. This one will comprise
> several bricks: a ECMAScript editor with syntactic checking in real time
> and debugger provided by IBM; a ECMAScript console, an engine of
> returned Web (Geko), and an inspector DOM delivered by Mozilla. These
> bricks will be integrated in a single interface via the Web Tools
> Project d' Eclipse.
>
> Sights will facilitate also the use of a specific framework. For the
> moment, Dojo, Openrico and AjaxTK de Zimbra, published recently under
> Apache licence, are supported. The initial members of Open Ajax envisage
> to deliver tools for deployment for the Ajax applications resting on JÈE
> and PHP. The editors wanting to join the project will have API to
> integrate other navigators - one especially thinks of Internet Of
> exploring. They will also benefit from a technical base in order to
> extend the workshop with their clean framework via one plug-in.
>
> In spite of its opening, Open Ajax will undoubtedly contribute to
> rationalize the market (70 frameworks to date). The engagement of large
> of data processing should thus reassure the companies on the
> perenniality and the relevance of these developments, and guide them
> towards one from these three frameworks.
>
> What they think
> Sebastien Brunot, person in charge for the rich customer offer at Octo
> Technology
> "a great step towards the industrialization of the projects Web 2.0" "an
> integrated workshop common to all the editors was very awaited by the
> community. It is a great step ahead towards the simplification and the
> industrialization of the projects. Thanks to this kind of initiative,
> the developers will be able, in the long term, to use Ajax in an almost
> transparent way. But it is only one beginning. For meeting their needs
> well, the IDE will have to be interfaced nativement with the principal
> navigators of the market - I think of Internet Of exploring. They will
> have to allow the development controlled by the tests, in particular by
> integrating nativement the JSUnit. tool "
>
> Stefano Pogliani, responsible Customer TEAM Innovation for the
> South-western area within the software branch of IBM Europe
> "We would be delighted by see Microsoft joining us" "to guarantee the
> perenniality of the software based on Ajax, it is necessary to ensure
> the interworking and the portability of the various bases of Ajax
> execution between them. For that, we wish to federate the principal
> actors of this market around a framework of development open and
> developped at the joint point. Open Ajax is agnostic in terms of
> navigator, of language of development and waiter of applications. This
> initiative is not to in no case held in world JÈE. From where the
> presence of Zend (PHP). And we would be delighted by see Microsoft
> joining us "
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:30 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [ops-users] Open Ajax
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> It's a french article about an Ajax open source project
>
> http://www.01net.com/article/304531.html
>
> Is this project interesting for OPS ?
>
> Any comment Erik ?
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
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